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Promotion of List of Detroit Lions seasons

Congratulations, Hey man im josh! The list you nominated, List of Detroit Lions seasons, has been promoted to featured status, recognizing it as one of the best lists on Wikipedia. The nomination discussion has been archived.

This is a rare accomplishment and you should be proud. If you would like, you may nominate it to appear on the Main page as Today's featured list. Keep up the great work! Cheers, Giants2008 (talk) via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Hello Hey man im josh: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, Ratnahastin (talk) 07:08, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

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Happy New Year, Hey man im josh!

Happy New Year!

Hey man im josh,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Congrats again!

Hi Josh. At least I'm getting a little quicker. Great job! Regards and again, Happy New Year! Bringingthewood (talk) 01:57, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Bringingthewood! That brings my total of featured lists up to 9, with 2 more nominated and another 5 prepped and ready for nomination (limited number that can be nominated all at once). I got a few more I plan to work on as well :)

• List of National Football League annual interceptions leaders – Nominated since November 6th
• List of New Orleans Saints seasons – Nominated since January 2, 2024

Ready to nom:

• List of Jacksonville Jaguars first-round draft picks – Ready to nom
• List of Jacksonville Jaguars seasons – Ready to nom
• List of San Francisco 49ers first-round draft picks – Ready to nom
• List of Cincinnati Bengals first-round draft picks – Ready to nom
• List of Buffalo Bills first-round draft picks – Ready to nom

If you're interested, I try to keep this progress page updated for NFL lists. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:14, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

That is fantastic work! It is interesting ... I saw that list before and wondered how the Steelers could get that last star, lol. I'm not one for trolling, but with these lists I do drop by more often than not. You just keep doing what you're doing and I'll keep littering your talk page. :) All the best, John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:2024 XFL season

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:24, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

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Admin help needed

Hi. I am new to requesting help from admins, so please forgive me if this is the wrong way/place.

I need assitance with a user who keeps reverting article changes without proper explanation.

At first there was a bit of a discussion, but the person is now ignoring it and continues to revert the addition to tge page.

Relevant talk page is Talk:2024 South African general election where the entirety of the discussion is about the reversions.

Also the user talk page where the discussion started: User talk:165.73.64.6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janneman27 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Two other experienced Wikipedians have also tried to reason with this person, but to no avail.

Can you please help by blocking the malicious user.

Janneman27 (talk) 17:48, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

@Janneman27: I've blocked the IP editor for 72 hours for edit warring. In the future, WP:ANI is the best place for this type of post. Reaching out to individual admins runs the risk of them being busy / not being able to address your concern. Additionally, if a user is being disruptive, you may also consider requesting page protection at WP:RPP/I. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:42, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Hopefully it doesn't happen again, but I will follow your advice if it does. All the best. Janneman27 (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Restore

Hello, Hey man im josh. Could you kindly restore the most recent version of this user page?–Owais Al Qarni (talk) 02:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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NPP Awards for 2023

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		For over 5,000 article reviews during 2023. Well done! Keep up the good work and thank you! Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

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		For all your hard work in 2023! Thank you! Dr vulpes (Talk) 03:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Not sure

Hi Josh. I saw the correction for the two-time sack leaders. Maybe I'm missing it. To get to ten, you have to go prior to 1982, adding the other three. It looked like the original number for this page was 'official' only. I removed one player after an editor added Watt as three time, so it was worded seven rather than eight. Then really T. J. Watt doesn't lead with three in that paragraph, Deacon Jones leads with five. Other editor have brought up unofficial stats being added to the infobox. We need a leg to stand on here, it could get messy. What do you think? I can't slap T. J. right now, lol. Thanks in advance, John Bringingthewood (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Unless you wanted it to read 'ten' (unofficially) in that paragraph, but people will realize T. J. Watt is listed over Jones due to it being official? I ask, because I know you care, lol. There is that list on the bottom also with the leaders. Headache time, I need a break. @@ Bringingthewood (talk) 23:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

@Bringingthewood: I've wanted to nominate this article for featured status for a while but I've never been able to decide the best way to handle the official vs unofficial seasons. I figured I'd go back to that tomorrow and I'm not really too sure how I want to handle it. Feel free to change it back. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:32, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Wow, we're definitely on the same page. :) I'm not changing it, and I know you want it nominated. If there's a way I guess to get Deacon and T. J. mentioned in the lead ... official and unofficial ... ahh, but it's on the bottom of the page already. Some editors are really hell bent on the unofficial, at least for the infobox. I do get it, they're right. Older players played the game. I revert them anyway, lol. I'm just saying that my edit was because the editor who put Watt at three, didn't change eight to seven. But you're 100% correct, it's really ten! I think we need to sleep on it, lol. Bringingthewood (talk) 00:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Josh, please hear me out with this. Did a mini-reset with removing the 'ten players' sentence. Only because with 'ten', Watt should not be listed there leading with three. It would be Jones with five. Another reason I removed it - just for now - until we can figure this out, is the sentence prior to that one. It states teams with four players each. If we go with unofficial included, the Vikings have five players, with Carl Eller in 1969. It's going to be tricky if we don't make it one or the other. Bringingthewood (talk) 21:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Please amend as you wish. I added some official wording to the lead. This way someone won't add Al Baker, Deacon Jones, and Vikings (5) to it. At least there are two photos on the page (Baker and Jones) that do state unofficial records for each. They're not left out of the loop. Bringingthewood (talk) 22:13, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Talk:2021 Men's Rugby League World Cup final

Hello, I have reassessed this as C class. A class requires two impartial reviews. Schierbecker (talk) 06:07, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Schierbecker: I'm not involved with the article (aside from that page move), but it doesn't look like Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league uses A-class for assessments. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Asking a few for help

Hi Josh. I received this message from another editor and I'm reaching out to you and two others for some guidance. Any help is appreciated. Message I received: (So, I’m trying to add information about one of my relatives who played for the Browns and the Lions but it gets taken down because there is no source and i cant find a source, is there like a form or something that higher ups can confirm first hand information from family members? regards, kayvon4mvp Kayvonthibodeaux4mvp (talk) 03:26, 18 January 2024 (UTC) Again, I'm contacting the only three people I would ask for an answer on this. Regards, John Bringingthewood (talk) 03:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

• Turns out this is about an article I wrote! I'm not sure of the policy on this so I'll leave it to Josh though. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:24, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

  Hey @Bringingthewood and @BeanieFan11. This is a tough one, but it sounds like WP:COISELF and WP:OR. Perhaps if they want to suggest something on the talk page, or ask for help in finding proper sourcing at WT:NFL then we might be able to find something that verifies what they're saying. Otherwise, we really can't document something that's not verifiable. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:44, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

What do you think about this?

[1]. It says "The 2024 NFL draft is..."  — Amakuru (talk) 17:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Amakuru, I'm finding ESPN to actually not be consistent with what other sources are using. I'm working on a table of sources now at User:Hey man im josh/sandbox that I'll reply with on the topic soon. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:19, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I don't have any more sports sites on my list of sites to check... I'm going to go ahead and post what I have now. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I had a sneaky peak at that one, hence why I was wondering if you'd seen sourcing where they use draft. Maybe this topic isn't as open-and-shut as things of this nature usually are... I might have to reconsider my comment from a while ago at the "RFC" page. It's a high bar to climb to achieve proper name status though, as it has to be across a "significant majority" of the sources. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:21, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I very much do not believe it's open and shut @Amakuru, but I'd be happy to abide by the results of a proper RM. I just think that myself and others are worn out by this discussion. I think it's become too toxic (accusations being thrown around of local con and arguably some bludgeoning) for more editors to chime in, though I would love for them to, because I'd just like this conversation to be over with one way or the other. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Yes, indeed, I absolutely agree with you, and I do think there has been some subpar conduct, particularly around edit warring and moving things around when the discussion was still ongoing. Perhaps this matter can be put to bed soon...  — Amakuru (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Two requests

Hey Josh! I'd appreciate if you could fulfill these two admin requests for me:
First, I came across a few of your WP:G5 (sockpuppet creations) deletions and saw one that looked promising based on the Google Cache that I saw: Buck Simmons. I asked a question about G5 at the CSD page and it seems that admins are allowed to restore G5 content if they get a valid request and agree with it. As for Simmons, he seems to have been a pretty prominent racer and had a book written about him ([2]). I do see that there was an "additional citations needed" tag, so if you could restore it to draftspace so I could clean it up and get the article back up I would appreciate it.
Now, my second request. Early last year I think there was a mass move of poorly-sourced Uzbekistan articles to draftspace; I came across one that looked promising and added a note that I was going to work on it. I forgot about it and it appears to have been deleted since then. I don't remember the exact title anymore but I think it was something like "[something] Mosque". I appear to have ~500 deleted contributions, so could you do a CTRL-F for "mosque" and see if you could find it? If you do, could you restore it (to draftspace) so I could continue to work on it?
Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey @BeanieFan11, yeah I can help you out. Do you have a place for a draft about Buck Simmons yet for me to dump the refs? I'll look to see what I can find about the mosque. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:38, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: I found it and restored the draft at Draft:Deggaron Mosque.

As for the Buck Simmons request, here are the references that were used:

1. [3]
2. [4]
3. [5]
4. [6]
5. [7]
6. [8]
7. [9]
8. [10]
9. [11]
10. [12]

These are the external links that were added:

1. [13]
2. [14]
3. [15]

Hope that helps! Hey man im josh (talk) 17:53, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Oh, I was thinking you could restore the whole thing to draftspace and I'd clean it up from there; as I'm not a racing expert and thus have no idea how to do those tables, the infobox, etc. If that's asking too much, let me know and I can start a draft, and maybe you could at least add in the tables/infobox and refs? Also, thanks for restoring the mosque draft. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm not an expert on restoration of G5 deleted articles, but, based on the conversation that you linked, I'm inclined to think that if I share more than the references that were used to create the article that attribution would be required. The goal is to not acknowledge the sock or the work that they did and, if we restored the article, we would be doing so. I'm not opposed to another admin restoring any or all of the article if they are interested in doing so, but I recognize that my experience in this area is limited and I don't feel comfortable restoring the whole article because of that. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:58, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

I understand. I might ask a quick question about this case at the CSD page and if it is not considered worthy of restoration, I'll just start it over and use the refs you provided. Thank you. BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:10, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

By all means, please do! It'd be a good opportunity for both of us to learn :) Hey man im josh (talk) 18:29, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Left a comment there. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Request on Nikolas Bentel

Hello @Hey man im josh, i hope this message finds you well. can you please look into this page (Nikolas Bentel) and review it? Daremize (talk) 02:43, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding this notification

I apologise if it was an inappropriate notification, or if I shouldn't have left an invitation there for any other reason. By way of explanation, I notified WT:PAGEMOVER of the discussion due to the fact that the proposal made was related to editors with that user right, and in case editor(s) watching that page had any input they wished to add to the discussion from a page mover's point of view (& if not, for the general information of those interested in the user right). However, I apologise again if I shouldn't've done.

All the best, ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 23:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey @A smart kitten, it's not a problem at all that you notified the group. I'm not sure that page movers really have anything to contribute to the conversation, as this change really only affects the NPP queue and not how page movers conduct themselves, but I can't see it causing harm. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

NFL & ALF season title infobox headings

I'm gonna have to bail out on my idea. Apparently the entire infobox has to be replaced with 'Infobox sports season'. Rather then just the name. GoodDay (talk) 16:01, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Well that's a bummer, way too much work to be practical. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Sports redirects for deletion (chat)

I did not initially think you were trying to be disruptive. A rampant deletionist with no clue what he was on about, yes, but not disruptive. Though it would be warranted to say such a large volume of deletion nominations - for any page type - in such a short period could be considered disruptive no matter the nominator's intentions.

Then I saw your replies and you have only swayed me to think you are a bit of a rogue. I would like to be convinced otherwise. It's not necessarily what you say, though as I noted, the seeming diversion (demanding your unfounded hypotheses are disproven by !voters and then, when they are, coming back with something else) is disruptive. It's that I have to believe that at least some of what you are saying is lies, or your nominations don't make sense, and that you are telling these lies simply to annoy anyone who good faith !votes against your stance, because I can't see any other reason.

Again, I would really like to be convinced otherwise. I know you have extensive redirect appraisal experience - someone who does, as I see it, would not mass-nominate redirects that they may not personally understand but, as a collection, have logic. Someone with such experience would not nominate redirects that they may not personally understand but have no valid rationale for deletion (generally, are not misleading). Someone who claims to edit extensively in sports would hear or read "Country Year" (or for Olympics, "City Year") all the time, it is in sources from all English-language markets as I have now searched - unless they only edit domestic sports. Based on this talkpage, that seems accurate to your edits. Why would get annoyed at that being noted? It doesn't make sense to me.

Of course, some of your nominations seem valid (as nominations) - the England Women's Euros ones, for example, I assumed they were nominated based on the year confusion because of the pandemic postponement. It is valid to discuss that. I wish that RfD stuck to that discussion, but had not once anticipated that the mere format was being called into question. Or the Men's Euros which had group matches all over - too many countries, nobody used the name. Again, the fact the shorthand wasn't used for that event seemed like the reason for nomination. Then I got to the log page and saw so many more.

So I don't know what to make of it. Given you did invite me to your talkpage, I am assuming good faith. And, as it's not relevant to the RfDs themselves, perhaps you could take this opportunity to explain your thoughts and rationale, because it's still confusing behaviour to me. Kingsif (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Hey @Kingsif, I'm sorry for the delay in responding to you, I wasn't able to take the time to do so until now. I'm not really sure where to start on this, so I'm sorry if my reply jumps around a bit or I miss part of what you were hoping for me to address.

Disruptive rogue deletionist, none of those 3 terms are how I would describe myself and I don't they're fair generalizations to apply to me. You're mentioning a large volume of deletion nominations, but it was only 23 redirects over 10 discussions, which is far from outlandish or uncommon at WP:RfD. You keep mentioning no valid rationale, can you point to what discussions did not include a valid deletion rationale? As Tavix mentioned, unlikely search term is a valid rationale when nominating redirects for deletion. It's fine if you disagree with this, I respect your right to do so, but using that as a rationale is not a reason to attack somebody's integrity, as you've done numerous times.

There were a number of your responses at RfD on the 24th that I felt were inappropriate:

1. It's literally what people call it. Give it up, mate. [16]
   • C'mon now, how is that supposed to help move a conversation along? I think Tavix said it best here. Include a source or two to prove me wrong since it's meant to be a discussion and not simply a vote.
2. . "You then come up with a different reason to try and dismiss this. I am trying to assume good faith. It would be easier to do so if such... diversion... wasn't being used to try and get redirects you just don't seem to like deleted. [17]
   • This was an inaccurate representation of my response. You misinterpreted my nomination rationale and accused me of coming up with a different reason to dismiss someone else's keep vote, which is an inappropriate conclusion to jump to. I believe you may have misinterpreted the "search term" portion of nomination as referring to Google searches instead of Wiki searches. I did not, and still do not, believe it to be a useful Wikipedia search term. I believe this is also what you're referring to in this comment on my talk page when you said It's not necessarily what you say, though as I noted, the seeming diversion (demanding your unfounded hypotheses are disproven by !voters and then, when they are, coming back with something else) is disruptive.
3. Josh's apparent expectation seems so implausible (who searches for one of the periodic reviews of new NAFTA, let along expects it to exist, let alone to have its own dedicated redirect) that I have to believe he's simply made it up to try and add weight to his proposal that people might be searching for something else. Meanwhile, he is adamant on deleting every sports redirect on sight despite surely by now recognising these redirects are so widespread exactly because everybody (else) uses such names. [18]
   • This one might be the worst of the bunch. Why would you accuse someone of making something up to add weight to their nomination? We live in two different worlds and my interpretation of something may differ from yours, what's commonplace to me and the expectation for a redirect is not the same for you (clearly), and that's why we have conversations about what does and doesn't make sense. We don't instantly attack the credibility of the nominator and accuse them of making things up just because we disagree with them. You continue on to imply I'm a deletionist (then outright stated it in this discussion), despite the opposite being true for redirects (look at my ratio of RfD nominations vs reviews). If something is widespread then help me out with a source or two. If I'm so adamant on deleting so many sports redirects then I'd love to see the mountain of examples where I was wrong and didn't learn from it. Not that it changes how inappropriate your comment was, but I have actually closed this discussion because I may have been off the mark here, which I can recognize and accept.
4. "Josh, I think you might be the one person who has managed to go through life without seeing major sports tournaments called "Country Year" en masse, please stop nominating all these valid and useful redirects." [19]
   • As I mentioned on that discussion, I don't think it was appropriate for you to react the way you did. Was it really necessary to go after me personally instead of responding stating that it's common or showing a reference or two? I started 10 discussions for a total of 23 redirects on the 24th, far from "en masse". It's not uncommon for certain experienced editors to start 10+ deletion discussions at RfD in the same day.
5. "Perhaps it's because I have come to RfD and seen in just today's log that it's all you nominating all of these, and with every new nom I found it more unbelievable, sorry about the first part of my comment being dismissive. However, I stand by the view that you shouldn't be nominating these - and certainly not so many at once... if there are lots of identically-formatted redirects for similar events that's probably because it is what it looks like: common parlance."
   • I appreciate that you acknowledged you were dismissive in your previous comment, but calling the nominations "unbelievable"? Really? They're far from flagrant enough to warrant that type of classification. This also, as mentioned, was not an excessive or inappropriate number of deletion nominations. As for the point about these types of redirects being common parlance simply based on the number of them that may exist, I don't believe that type of thinking should apply when all of those were recently created by the same user. This is another case where actual examples of it being common would have been helpful.

There were a number of other comments that I had issue with that but I didn't feel like they needed to be analyzed along with these. You've repeatedly implied that I lack experience in sports and redirects based on my nominations, but I've reviewed over 58,000 redirects. I say this not to try to give any more weight to my arguments or to say I'm infallible, I'm absolutely not, but to stress that experience isn't the problem. I made nominations based on what I've learned and seen when patrolling, from past RfD discussions, and with the approach to learn from how various discussions go (I've actually withdrawn two of the nominations made). I absolutely make mistakes sometimes and I do appreciate when others give constructive criticism so that I can do better in the future, but I think you're silly to imply that I "just don't understand" instead of providing sources that back up your claims. As an admin, and as an NPP coordinator, when others approach me with feedback I listen and try to learn. It's important to me to learn from past experiences so that I can continue to guide people in the right direction and not give them the wrong information or advice.

It sure hasn't felt like good faith assumptions. You chose to attack me directly in numerous ways during these discussions and that was inappropriate. There was no reason to go after me personally the way that you did instead of actually focusing on the discussion(s) at hand. I'm open to learning from these discussions and I will. I also may need to redefine what my view of what a "rampant deletionist" is based on my XfD log. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to reply. I am an advocate for people who do not necessarily agree or even like each other (not that I don't like you) to be able to get along and work productively and am glad you seem to think the same. No worries about the delay - I think this reply will be quite long, so don't worry about response time again.

From your response, I see your perspective. I perhaps would have liked to see more of your thoughts on why you made all the nominations - perhaps it is a regular amount for someone very active in RfD, but it seemed like a lot. I know if I nominate anything for anything, I want to be available to give my full attention and thought process to the nom and how discussion unfolds and, having not even been nominator but active in multiple AfDs at once, don't know how someone could manage more than 2 or 3 (if that). So that's where I'm coming from when I felt like it was a lot.

You'll also appreciate that I saw in my watchlist two discussions - for the most recent Men's and Women's Euros – and I went in with good faith because of reasons mentioned in my comment above. It was only at the log did I see so many others, so coming from my perspective it looks like someone suddenly just wanted to delete. That was my perspective on how the nominations all happened, which was informed by how I came to see them all, the quantity, and the similar nom reasons. I am glad you have included in your response that the noms weren't arbitrary but based on your experience, and didn't seem excessive to you – hearing your perspective, I can see that the nominations were made genuinely.

That's (mostly) what I was seeking to learn about. You've brought up other things, so I will address them, and if we're not exhausted of discussion afterwards (I will let you respond), perhaps some specific questions?

I do take issue with your statement that I've repeatedly implied that [you] lack experience in sports and redirects based on [your] nominations. At least in terms of redirects, the opposite is true: I have acknowledged your experience, though in regards to how this added to my confusion. As for sports, yeah, I did, but it doesn't need to be a bad thing; I think you do lack experience in the sports relevant to the redirects you've nominated, and I don't think pointing that out when expressing shock at so many deletion noms is inherently negative. It wasn't done to undermine you, but as part of my reasoning when I was trying to work out why an experienced editor would be making noms that were so confusing. As I say two paragraphs above, you have explained yourself enough for me to see that any experience or lack thereof in sports is nothing to do with the noms (more about redirects), and I am satisfied.

I did not try to/think I was attacking you - this is genuine - but with your comments laid out I see it and I am sorry. I don't think you're exaggerating and I'm not slow or anything: I assume I have a higher tolerance for people being annoyed in discussions, as I know I have encountered far ruder and not thought of it as an attack, just someone being a little shitty. I suppose I shouldn't be a little shitty, either, but then again I generally just ignore it from others if it's not disruptive. Another thing: as this is a written medium, I do think the tone one expects affects how they interpret what's written - I mention this because you bring up [4]. With that, I was writing to you as if I was seeing a friend dig themself into a hole. We aren't friends, but I know it's a tone I'd like to hear if someone thought I was making such an error. That you have read it in a different tone and seen it as inappropriate is something I should have considered given the number of replies to your nominations I was making, so I am sorry for this, too.

If I can respond, hopefully briefly, to your numbered points?

[1] and [2] I think you have it right, that I misinterpreted what you meant by the search term, and how I saw your responses to another user was affected by this. I think by the time I saw that nomination, I was already wondering what to make if you, and this can't have helped how I judged that. As for the phrasing of [1], I've responded to that at the nomination itself.

[3] I would like to address your comments on it first, specifically where you mention your track record on sports redirect deletions and why I would think you were a deletionist despite it. To this, I point you back to my third paragraph of this reply. I came to your talkpage, being as honest on my thoughts as possible to try get an equally honest response to help me understand you, asking to hear your perspective. I have and I understand it. In return, please consider my perspective - I couldn't know your record and just saw a variety of identically-formatted but fairly different redirects all being put up for deletion by one user in a short span. I now understand why you did it, but you have to understand it looks like deletionist behaviour. It also wouldn't be terrible if you were a deletionist - it's a different attitude on content retention, and a mix of attitudes will hopefully lead to the best outcome - although, yes, I see a nominator being a deletionist as something to consider (but never a deciding factor) when appraising XfDs.

So [3], my comment - this is gonna take a bit to get to, bear with. We live in different worlds, and it may be true that you are more familiar with new NAFTA than the World Cup. However, we both 'live' on Wikipedia, too, and that's where I was thinking from: the expectation of an article or redirect for a future review seems implausible. I didn't write it kindly, and this was not only unfair to you, but also distracted from the discussion, so I am sorry for both those things. Of course, I didn't say it seemed like you were making it up just because [I] disagree with [you] - that is an inaccurate and, I think, unfair characterisation of my response. From a "would this exist on Wikipedia" perspective, it seemed implausible. Again, I am sorry for how I expressed that thought/!vote explanation.

[4] Besides what I have written above about this being an attempt at being jovial (it was one of the earliest replies I think?), where I said "en masse" I was referring to the frequency of sports tournaments being common-named in such a format (major sports tournaments called "Country Year" en masse), I wasn't talking about your noms.

[5] I mean, I wasn't using "unbelievable" in the perfectly literal sense, but in the common sense. I've said it a few times but yeah, based on my perspective encountering the successive noms, it was an experience. For the record, I have already warned the user who created the redirects about how such mass-creation can be seen as sketchy, too ([20]). I am kinda glad to see that you acknowledge "a lot in a short time span" does look suspicious, though 😅

As a final thought, I think part of the issue here is the subject: I was (still am, in truth) utterly surprised the format was questioned. My approach to the noms was undoubtedly affected by this. Kingsif (talk) 01:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry again for the slow response @Kingsif, I don't typically edit on weekends.

I understand how it can seem like a lot of nominations for those who do not regularly visit RfD and I understand we had different perspectives about this. Thank you for acknowledging that these nominations were genuine and not with mal intent. While you may not have intended to attack me directly, that was how I perceived it when I felt that the conversations were shifting away from discussion onto the nominator (me) instead. I too would normally ignore a few comments here and there, but it felt like a lot in this instance, and I felt as though we needed to clear the air, which I feel like we have. On the internet tone is tough to read, so I can see now how your comments may have been intended as one thing but received as another. I very much appreciate your response to point 3 and I don't think we need to rehash much more, I think we've both gotten our points across. To round it out, I'll just say that everybody has to make mistakes to learn and, as I always try to, I'll learn from how the RfDs go.

What are the specific questions you had in mind? Hey man im josh (talk) 14:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Ha, I've been quite absent this past weekend too, thanks and I'm glad we understand each other. At the minute I can't remember the specific questions I was thinking, nor whether they were about your nominating philosophy in general or any of the noms in particular, but I'll get back to you if editing jogs my memory. Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Wide Right II resubmitted

The article has been resubmitted for review. 131.247.224.207 (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I commented on it and removed the "Tyler's version" portion of the lead, but I'll leave it up to somebody else to accept or decline the draft. I think it'd be unfair to you if I was to decline it 3 times and maybe someone else will disagree with my evaluation based on the improvements you made. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

"Green Bay Packers first season" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Green Bay Packers first season has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 January 25 § Green Bay Packers first season until a consensus is reached. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:06, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

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BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Way to find an archived copy of List Of Predictions article

Hey so I noticed that you were the one who deleted the original article and I was wondering if there was a way for me to find a copy of it, I'm kinda new to Wikipedia so if there's a simple way to do that sorry for bothering you. I don't wanna reinstate it I just wanna see it (eye)rizz (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

@(eye)rizz, unfortunately, no. List of predictions was deleted as a result of this deletion discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:00, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

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