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Crimean War edit

Hi Chris, İskender is the Turkish spelling, I changed it to English which is Iskender. 77.166.30.3 (talk) 16:00, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback, I will be more careful from now on. 77.166.30.3 (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

This Month in Education: January 2018

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Featured Topic	Bertsomate: using Basque oral poetry to illustrate math concepts
From the Community	Wikimedia Serbia celebrated 10 years from the first article written within the Education Program WikiChallenge Ecoles d'Afrique update The first Swedish Master's in Digital Humanities partners with Wikimedia Sverige How we use PetScan to improve partnership with lecturers and professors
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Neale Family user page

Hi Chris Troutman, I think you misunderstood the situation. I was not upset that Neale Family linked to a disambig page. That page had been a redirect to an article (Maria (1836 ship) page Neale Family had created. I converted it to a disambig page when I created a second article about a ship named Maria, and prior to creating a couple more. I changed the Neale Family user page so that they could more readily find their article without going through the step of going to the now disambig page and then clicking through to their article. Cheers, Acad Ronin (talk) 00:19, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Acad Ronin: Per WP:NOBAN, while you can edit others' user pages, I don't generally think you should. I revert user page vandalism and I don't prefer to turn a blind eye to edits like yours, which serve no actual purpose. You may think it's a good or helpful idea but someone else's user page isn't for you to correct. I'm willing to chalk this up to a disagreement, as I acknowledge that you meant well. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2018).

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Guideline and policy news

• An RfC has closed with a consensus that candidates at WP:RFA must disclose whether they have ever edited for pay and that administrators may never use administrative tools as part of any paid editing activity, except when they are acting as a Wikipedian-in-Residence or when the payment is made by the Wikimedia Foundation or an affiliate of the WMF.
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• A tag will now be automatically applied to edits that blank a page, turn a page into a redirect, remove/replace almost all content in a page, undo an edit, or rollback an edit. These edits were previously denoted solely by automatic edit summaries.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee has enacted a change to the discretionary sanctions procedure which requires administrators to add a standardized editnotice when placing page restrictions. Editors cannot be sanctioned for violations of page restrictions if this editnotice was not in place at the time of the violation.

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My sincerest apologies

I was looking back at old AfD's I voted in, and noticed that my conduct at that of Panoply Media was completely unacceptable. My sincerest apologies. As a inexperienced editor, I for some reason felt that you had a personal vendetta against me, and thusly became defensive. That was something I should never have done. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 21:00, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@Eddie891: Thanks for saying so, but I don't think your comments are anything for which you need apologize. In the AfD, you made a WP:NOTCLEANUP argument, which is fair. I acknowledge that AfD, MfD, and CfD can get heated. Each of us that actually cares about Wikipedia tend to be writers and seeing content slated for deletion often gets taken as an affront. It happens all the time. I took no offense at your comments a year ago; no harm, no foul. Good luck to you. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:1948 Palestine war

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New Page Reviewer Newsletter

Hello Chris troutman, thank you for your efforts in reviewing new pages!

The NPP backlog at the end of the drive with the number of unreviewed articles by creation date. Red is older than 90 days, orange is between 90 and 30 days old, and green is younger than 30 days.

Backlog update:

• The new page backlog is currently at 3819 unreviewed articles, with a further 6660 unreviewed redirects.
• We are very close to eliminating the backlog completely; please help by reviewing a few extra articles each day!

New Year Backlog Drive results:

• We made massive progress during the recent four weeks of the NPP Backlog Drive, during which the backlog reduced by nearly six thousand articles and the length of the backlog by almost 3 months!

General project update:

• ACTRIAL will end it's initial phase on the 14th of March. Our goal is to reduce the backlog significantly below the 90 day index point by the 14th of March. Please consider helping with this goal by reviewing a few additional pages a day.
• Reviewing redirects is an important and necessary part of New Page Patrol. Please read the guideline on appropriate redirects for advice on reviewing redirects. Inappropriate redirects can be re-targeted or nominated for deletion at RfD.

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WP:NPA

Here and here you accuse me of something I did not do. What evidence do you have? I do have a lot of personal biases, but I make my best to follow all policies while editing any main space pages of my interest. My very best wishes (talk) 00:13, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@My very best wishes: You have continued to add the link to Navalny's YouTube page against consensus. Your talk page of "poetry" seems to evince your political beliefs on the subject. I took the matter to DRN since you refuse to be reasonable. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:31, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sure you can consider my texts in userspace as a declaration of my personal views and biases. Making an open disclosure of COI (I do not have one in this subject area) or personal views is actually a good thing. It maybe bad if it spells to mainspace, but I am very careful to avoid it. As about this particular disagreement, I believe it is very minor and do not really worth a lot of anyone else time. My very best wishes (talk) 00:52, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Too late for that. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Too late for what? This is simply non-issue, and I fixed it (I hope) in two minutes. My very best wishes (talk) 01:19, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Oakland Coliseum station

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Legacypac

Note I used the AfC comment tool I did not put the page in AfC. Legacypac (talk) 02:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

@Legacypac: Yep. I didn't realize {{userspace draft}} put those pages into a maintenance category. Thanks for pointing that out and for your consideration in this matter. I acknowledge that you're a good-faith editor helping the project. I'm just really sensitive about my drafts. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:09, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Sorted by date [1] and by username [2] and this Wikiproject [3] Over time I've cleared some of the oldest date cats and some of the letters of the alphabet. You would not believe the amount of spam, copyvio, and attack pages in there. I even find articles that can be promoted to mainspace as is. Legacypac (talk) 02:35, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Message from StarWars&TTTEFan2018

Chris troutman, I'm sorry for doing it. But I didn't mean it in a bad way. It's all because people treat me around and you should send User talk:Trivialist a message too. They say bad things about me so I don't do anything to hurt Wikipedia. I try to provide good faith and I get blamed and some people thank me while others thank me for doing that and User:Trivialist is blind as a bat is suddenly making people never know what happens and you should believe me and that is my message. Can you please send me a good message back which you probably won't, but you should. Please agree with me and please. DO NOT SAY NO! OK. And don't send me a bad message back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by StarWars&TTTEFan2018 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Meiyu tag revert

Sorry, but why did you reverted my edit? I is it good bad? Why? 121.138.198.42 (talk) 14:08, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Please note that I proposed deletion of this article in June of last year. An admin subsequently restored the redirect. This wrestling group isn't generally notable. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:18, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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DAVEY2010

I assume a friend of yours? he vandilses my talk page and nothing happens I comment on his and I get threats. Listen mate I'm fed up of this every single edit i make he reverts valid or not and I'm the bad guy I always tjought Wikipedia was about the users but it seems its for the elite those who have no life and can spend all day and night on here so ban me it doesn't really matter Wikipedia is now a closed shop only open to those who have mo life well I have a life so thank you and good night... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kev inr (talk • contribs) 23:09, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

@Kev inr: I am like a nation. I have no friends... only interests. It is my interest to stop the harassment of useful contributors and punish the hell out of ne'er-do-wells. Editors can issue warnings. That doesn't give you permission to vandalize user pages to issue meaningless attacks. And don't lie to me; we both know you don't have a life to keep you busy. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

ha ha with my children job and of course wife oh yes I have a very FULL life thank you....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kev inr (talk • contribs) 23:26, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

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Athsquare needs your help!!

listen guys stop deleting my post I just put a small addition for a class I need it for a grade IF YOU DONT LIKE THE ADDITION PLEASE LEAVE IT UP FOR A WEEK THEN DELETE IT I DONT CARE!!!!! AGAIN I AM DOING IT FOR A CLASS JUST TO GET AN EDIT IN> THANKS IN ADVANCE — Preceding unsigned comment added by Athsquare (talk • contribs) 23:28, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

@Athsquare: I'm more than happy to check over your editing, and revert and warn you when needed. I would hate to think that you couldn't find help on Wikipedia. That said, does your instructor have a point of contact at Wikipedia? We actually have a program to help students. In fact, if your teacher hasn't contacted Wikipedia already, please have them look into https://wikiedu.org/teach-with-wikipedia/. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:32, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

LISTEN this is the stupidest assignment ever first of all Wikipedia isn't ever allowed to be a real source now I got jerks like you deleting my content I am just trying to get a good grade in grad school can you guys please stop being jerks and stop deleting my stuff like I said if you want to delete it next sunday please by all means do so I have never used wiki before and I never will after this so cut me some slack I have a lot of stress in this grad program then to have you jerks deleting my content over and over — Preceding unsigned comment added by Athsquare (talk • contribs) 23:37, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

• Hey, I left them a note on their talk page with instructions to get their professor to contact Wiki Education or at least someone on Wikipedia. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 16:37, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, although I'm beginning to wonder if the editor in question was using the claim of classroom involvement as an excuse. I hope WikiEd is able to wrangle the teacher in question. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

GOCE February 2018 news

Guild of Copy Editors February 2018 News Welcome to the February 2018 GOCE newsletter in which you will find Guild updates since the December edition. We got to a great start for the year, holding the backlog at nine months. 100 requests were submitted in the first 6 weeks of the year and were swiftly handled with an average completion time of 9 days. >>> Sign up for the March Drive! <<< Coordinator elections: In December, coordinators for the first half of 2018 were elected. Jonesey95 remained as lead coordinator and Corrine, Miniapolis and Tdslk as assistant coordinators. Keira1996 stepped down as assistant coordinator and was replaced by Reidgreg. Thanks to all who participated! End of year reports were prepared for 2016 and 2017, providing a detailed look at the Guild's long-term progress. January drive: We set out to remove April, May, and June 2017 from our backlog and all December 2017 Requests (a total of 275 articles). As with previous years, the January drive was an outstanding success and by the end of the month all but 57 of these articles were cleared. Officially, of the 38 who signed up, 21 editors recorded 259 copy edits (490,256 words). February blitz: This one-week copy-editing blitz ran from 11 through 17 February, focusing on Requests and the last articles tagged in May 2017. At the end of the week there were only 14 pending requests, with none older than 20 days. Of the 11 who signed up, 10 editors completed 35 copy edits (98,538 words). Thank you all again for your participation; we wouldn't be able to achieve what we have without you! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators: Jonesey95, Miniapolis, Corinne, Tdslk, and Reidgreg. >>> Sign up for the March Drive! <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list.

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This Month in Education: February 2018

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Volume 7 | Issue 2 | February 2018

This monthly newsletter showcases the Wikipedia Education Program. It focuses on sharing: your ideas, stories, success and challenges. You can see past editions here. You can also volunteer to help publish the newsletter. Join the team! Finally, don't forget to subscribe!

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From the Community

WikiProject Engineering Workshop at IIUC,Chittagong What did we learn from Wikibridges MOOC? Wikimedia Serbia launched Wiki scholar project Wiki Club in Ohrid, Macedonia Karvachar’s WikiClub: When getting knowledge is cool More than 30 new courses launched in the University of the Basque Country Review meeting on Christ Wikipedia Education Program The Multidisciplinary Choices of High School Students: The Arabic Education Program; Wikimedia Israel

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Refactoring

Your edit is removing a legitimate comment by Iggy the Swan, in violation of WP:REFACTOR. That's what I was trying to correct. I'm not sure why you've reverted me. Chris Troutman (talk) 10:15, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Check Dave's history and you will see that "Iggy" is a plagiarist (my greeting) ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones ^{The Welsh Buzzard} ‑ ‑ 10:20, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

@Gareth Griffith-Jones: You are incorrect. You don't own a greeting or any other piece of code. You donated it to the community when you hit "publish." For example, what about these holiday greetings from this past Christmas and New Years'? Are those editors plagiarizing someone else's code? Chris Troutman (talk) 10:23, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Google Dictionary

Its Google Dictionary, not really Google Search. See the article. I agree that its not ideal though, as it doesnt have another way of linkage, and will reference other texts. -Inowen (talk) 11:03, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

@Inowen: First, the link you added just goes to the so-called dictionary. Second, even if I type in the word "empire" the result fails WP:SPS. Google is fed by stuff like Wikipedia and Wiktionary, among others. Just because Wikipedia has an article about Google Dictionary does not make Google Dictionary a reliable source. You cannot be so cavalier and uncritical of what sources you use. Finally, you added content to the lede of that article, which is 99% of the time a bad idea, indicative of poor understanding. Chris Troutman (talk) 11:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Societal Collapse – Mali Empire, Volga Bulgaria

Hi, sorry for being a fairly amateur contributor to Wikipedia, I wasn't logged in when I did the changes. I'm not sure if that is the correct way to answer to you, in general I don't see any Messaging feature in Wikipedia so I guess I have to do it this way. I don't understand : 1) Why I should provide a link to a reliable source when none of the other examples of societal collapse listed have one. I can provide links though, I just don't understand why only the examples I want to add should have links to such sources. For Mali, i have UNESCO's A General History of Africa ; for Volga Bulgaria, I think everything is pretty much explained on the relevant Wikipedia page, isn't that enough ? Anyway, a process such as Societal Collapse is so complex that is difficult to find one exact quote saying « And then, society collapsed ». 2) Why according to you those examples do not qualify as societal collapse. The Mali Empire that was a highly centralized and developed country ruling an extensive territory disappeared after the main trading cities were lost to the Songhai and the Tuareg and the empire failed to reconquer them. This led to a loss of central authority, and as the Western provinces started trading directly with Europeans, they got empowered and took their independance. A lot of lands were lost to the Fulani hordes, too. Malian culture continued but it wasn't anymore the complex caste society of the Middle Ages, some rulers abandoned islam (the religion of the traders and of their former North Africa allies) to revert to traditional religion. In general chaos ensued for a long period in the whole region as Saharan trade lost its importance (since trade was now mostly done with Europeans on the coast) and the slave-hunt became the main economic activity. In general Western Africa from the 17th to 19th century can best be qualified as a post-apocalyptic one. Major cities such as Niani and Timbuktu were abandoned. Isn't that societal collapse ? Volga Bulgaria, a major trading country whose capital was at one time one of the biggest cities in the world, whose influence was such that they almost converted Russia to islam, was destroyed by the Tatar, 80 % of its population was slaughtered, all its buildings were razed except one tower in Yelabuga, and the fugitives, chased from their lands, adopted a new name and religion. Isn't that societal collapse ? Thank you for your answer. - Ghiznuk

Administrators' newsletter – March 2018

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2018).

Administrator changes

Lourdes†

AngelOfSadness • Bhadani • Chris 73 • Coren • Friday • Midom • Mike V

† Lourdes has requested that her admin rights be temporarily removed, pending her return from travel.

Guideline and policy news

• The autoconfirmed article creation trial (ACTRIAL) is scheduled to end on 14 March 2018. The results of the research collected can be read on Meta Wiki.
• Community ban discussions must now stay open for at least 24 hours prior to being closed.
• A change to the administrator inactivity policy has been proposed. Under the proposal, if an administrator has not used their admin tools for a period of five years and is subsequently desysopped for inactivity, the administrator would have to file a new RfA in order to regain the tools.
• A change to the banning policy has been proposed which would specify conditions under which a repeat sockmaster may be considered de facto banned, reducing the need to start a community ban discussion for these users.

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• CheckUsers are now able to view private data such as IP addresses from the edit filter log, e.g. when the filter prevents a user from creating an account. Previously, this information was unavailable to CheckUsers because access to it could not be logged.
• The edit filter has a new feature contains_all that edit filter managers may use to check if one or more strings are all contained in another given string.

Miscellaneous

• Following the 2018 Steward elections, the following users are our new stewards: -revi, Green Giant, Rxy, There'sNoTime, علاء.

Obituaries

• Bhadani (Gangadhar Bhadani) passed away on 8 February 2018. Bhadani joined Wikipedia in March 2005 and became an administrator in September 2005. While he was active, Bhadani was regarded as one of the most prolific Wikipedians from India.

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Five years of editing

Happy First Edit Day, Chris troutman, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Slightlymad 03:41, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. With 53 contestants qualifying, the groups for round 2 are slightly smaller than usual, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining users.

Our top scorers in round 1 were:

• Aoba47 led the field with a featured article, 8 good articles and 42 GARs, giving a total of 666 points.
• FrB.TG , a WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points, gained from a featured article and masses of bonus points.
• Ssven2, another WikiCup newcomer, was in third place with 403 points, garnered from a featured article, a featured list, a good article and twelve GARs.
• Ceranthor, Numerounovedant, Carbrera, Farang Rak Tham and Cartoon network freak all had over 200 points, but like all the other contestants, now have to start again from scratch. A good achievement was the 193 GARs performed by WikiCup contestants, comparing very favourably with the 54 GAs they achieved.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Cwmhiraeth (talk) and Vanamonde (talk) 15:27, 2 March 2018 (UTC)