User talk:Bilseric

Warning (logged)

Hello. I'm sorry, but you are not being respectful of the time of other volunteers when you post such a lengthy complaint to a noticeboard (diff), only to then refuse to condense it. Since you appear to be a single-purpose account who is only devoted to this one topic/page, I have logged a warning concerning this (log entry). So please be mindful that any further problems of that nature are almost certain to result in actual sanctions. If you have any question or concerns, please WP:PING me here (not reply on my talk page). Thank you. El_C 05:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

El_C, I haven't refused to condense it. I was logging off for yesterday and today when I'm online again, I see it's closed. I simply didn't have time to properly address that. If it's closed because of that, may I ask you to reconsider on the grounds that I have been logged out. Bilseric (talk) 11:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding SPA, I do want to continue having this SPA as described in section "If you are working a single-purpose account" [1] .If you could provide some advices, I would try to correct, but I feel that I have followed what is described in the referenced section. Even if not perfectly, I will try to improve. Bilseric (talk) 11:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm reading from this closure is that any use of SPA is prohibited. From what I'm reading on Wiki ,this is not the case at all. I feel that my concerns have not been addressed in the closed discussion. There should be, in my opinion, no ground to make baseless accusations of SYNTH and ARBRAMC even if someone is SPA. You closing this discussion based on SPA makes me feel that SPA can never complain about such concerns. Bilseric (talk) 14:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way forward for me to have this SPA? Bilseric (talk) 14:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've been editing Wikipedia for over 10 years, and I'm very unsatisfied how people are treated as IPs or accounts with lower number of edits on contested topics. And this closure just left me feel more unwelcomed. Bilseric (talk) 14:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't asked for any reprimands with my ANI discussion or such actions. I've asked editors to reconsider their actions based on my concerns. One has answered with further accusations so I feel he will not reconsider. Other 2 have not answered, which makes me feel sad. I strongly feel admins should address anyone's concerns. Be that as it may, I fell that only benefit from that discussion would be the way forward on this SPA concern you have raised. As you can see, I'm not ignoring your concerns. I'm willing to change and improve, but I need help to understand how. Bilseric (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Editing logged out

I'm pleased to see you haven't been doing this recently. However, you have edited logged out a number of times since this account was created. Please commit to not doing this again. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:11, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller, I would like to have this SPA for contested topics I have been editing. If you note the list in my ANI discussions, I've only been active on contested topics. Can you explain, is it against Wiki rules to edit as an IP and have a SPA for contested topics. I cannot have me tied to this topics in any way. I would also like if you could delete your edit which reveals one of my IPs. Bilseric (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You asked me to agree to stop doing this. By mistake this has recently happened 2 times. I agree, but I need this SPA for all the mentioned concerns I expressed. Bilseric (talk) 14:19, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just feel those 2 editors have evolved their point of view, and anything that doesn't confront their view they are just trying to find an excuse to remove. You have seen how many rules they have mentioned...ARBRAMC, inappropriate use of SNYTH, TENDENTIOUS pushing , nationalistic, NOTHERE, SPA . I just feel that so widespread usage of all those rules is more indicative of their intention then me violating all those rules. Now we are here where we are, one of those has stuck. I was aware that one might get stuck when I was opening the ANI, but I felt that I had to express my concerns now, because I felt they would continue to do this. I really feel I haven't violated all those rules. if SPA is problematic they should have pointed that out. All this makes me believe they were on a hunt for anything, and not something specific I did in my recent posts. Everyone can read my recent posts, and I think you have read some if not all. I feel there's not anything in them what would warrant such "hunt" and I really feel you would agree. Bilseric (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which two editors? Doug Weller talk 15:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know, I am I person behind this account. I have not slept from all this stress for the past 2 days. My work has been impaired. My health is damaged. Why is this all happening. Because I posted and discussed a few sources in that discussion? When I raise concerns, this nothing matters, I don't matter because of SPA. Chetvorno is accusing me of all sort of things. Most hurtful is that he has called me "Croatian" when I have never expressed my nationality. Labeling someone of certain nationality because of their point of view is ...I don't want to use a bad word here. I have never labeled him in such a way. Then noting that I have been polite, but calling this "very slick at avoiding overt behavior". User Joy has stated, what I found, a blatant lie, that I have misinterpreted the source in this discussion. [2]. I haven't called him out on that, but have provided 2 additional sources which he ignored. This is no way to treat others, to state so obvious fallacies and send them on wild chases for more sources, then ignoring those sources completed. But be that as it may, I have addressed this in the discussion in the appropriate way, by sources. But, what I cannot go over is his final warning of violating ARBRAMC. Because of SPA I should take all this and never complain because it will boomerang back to me? Please count how many accusations those 2 made and tell me, do my recent comments in that talk page warrant such a thing? Editing Wikipedia shouldn't damage anyone's health like these 2 have done to me, and they don't even have decency to apologize. I just posted some sources and now I need to bear health issues, and what makes it worst, that uninvolved editors in ANI think the only problem here is my SPA. Bilseric (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that you’ve been called Croatian because you edited from Croation IP addresses. You get more privacy by editing from an account.. Doug Weller talk 18:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And the problems extend past your SPA status, your behaviour has been a problem. See this post on my talk page by User:Chetvorno

““Doug Weller Since you brought up blocks on the Talk page, I'd like to suggest a page block might be appropriate for Bilseric, under the WP:Contentious topics rules. I am a long time editor on Nikola Tesla. Bilseric not only brought the meritless 2018 RfC you mention, after losing 15 to 1 he challenged its closure. Since then, he has been polite, but has a record of WP:TENDENTIOUS pushing his nationalist agenda on Talk:Nikola Tesla#Nationality and Ethnicity [3], [4], [5], [6] sometimes advancing OR arguments SYNTHESIZED from sources which have nothing to do with Tesla. [7], [8], [9], [10]. These examples seem to violate several WP:Contentious topics limits. --Chetvorno^TALK 23:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also note that in the ANI discussion, closed before I knew about it, you mentioned a deleted edit. No edits were deleted so far as I can tell.

There are other examples on the article talk subpage. I don’t think you should be editing the article. I see POV problems and disruptive editing which just may be lack of knowledge or disagreement with some of our policies and guidelines. Doug Weller talk 18:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Similarly to your lengthy OP at ANI, can you condense the totality of what you've written above? Thanks. El_C 17:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please, I have hearth issues and you are causing a great amount of stress. I cannot take this anymore. If you are going to disregard everything I said, at least have understanding that you are damaging my health. Bilseric (talk) 19:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If engaging in this website is causing you such distress, then it's probably advisable to not do that anymore. But there's no timer on any of this and I wasn't asking for an immediate reply. I might not even be around for a few days, so there's no urgency here. The warning has been logged and it is what it is, but you've made multiple replies to my single notice. So summarize if you wish whenever, or not, but you need to understand we are all volunteers here, so you should be respectful of your colleagues' time (including me). I am making myself available to a reasonable degree, but a lot of people need my help and my time is limited, so I do require more concise communication. With best wishes for your health, El_C 19:49, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Debates need to stop

I am sorry about the health issues mentioned above but the current situation has to end now because it is not possible to continue debating until everyone is happy. Please take an extended break from that topic. That may help you and it will certainly help the volunteers who have been engaging with the points you have raised. You received a notification regarding contentious topics at permalink on 28 April 2024. On 5 May 2024 a logged warning was created at diff. The significance of that is that you may be topic banned per Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Balkans or Eastern Europe which would prohibit your further participation at pages such as Talk:Nikola Tesla/Nationality and ethnicity. Alternatively, you may be blocked if the advice of other editors is not taken. Johnuniq (talk) 09:57, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnuniq, No one touched at all on any of my concerns. But, ok, nevermind. Yes, I can take a break, no problem. But, please answer if I'm allowed to have this SPA? Can ,at least, this be addressed? Bilseric (talk) 12:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Because I don't really understand what I'm now supposed to do. El_C said : "Since you appear to be a single-purpose account ...I have logged a warning concerning this". Can I keep having this SPA? Bilseric (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to engage with you anymore, Bilseric, as an admin or in any capacity. Please don't ping me here again. Sorry, but I'm finding you mentioning your health issues to be too much. To be clear, even though I feel bad, I don't think you should get special exemptions that no other user would get just by virtue of mentioning these. El_C 18:43, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't asked for special exemptions. I asked on advice how to procede regaring your warning. I've already agreed to every suggestion that was put forward. Ok, I will respect your decision. Bilseric (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had a reply, but it got lost. You need to stop pruning this talk page. At this point, either blank the entire page or don't remove from it anymore. My comment was about your statement above that read: Editing Wikipedia shouldn't damage anyone's health like these 2 have done to me, and they don't even have decency to apologize. And how due your focus being so narrow, you don't even understand how egregious saying that is. But I can't reconstruct it now. El_C 19:17, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

These removals are coming across as you evading scrutiny. El_C 19:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those are stored in history. I don't want to engage in that discussions per suggestion. I have the option to remove those from my talk page. Bilseric (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, you no longer have that option. And please stop altering any of your comments that have been replied to. El_C 19:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appologize. I didn't know that I don't have that option anymore. I also appologize to have edited answered comment [11]. I viewed it as a separate comment, not the one you answered ,as that is a separate paragraph and is addressed to another user. Again, I didn't mean to edit anything you have responed to. But, please, not you have answered to the comment that I have deleted previously. I feel it's not fair to retreive deleted comments from history and answer them then say I don't have an option to remove something I have previously removed. Bilseric (talk) 19:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't understand how close I came to blocking you originally instead of going with the softer option of a logged warning. And I'd have done that twice over now if it wasn't for your health issues. So you mentioning these is working in your favour, do effectively serve as special exemptions. Which I dislike, because it's unfair to other disputants who are not doing that. El_C 19:47, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you agreed not to edit the pages at issue for a year?

It appears you have but I’d like you to affirm it. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:46, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that I have said until 2025, but if you think a full year, ok, I can also agree. I can work and collect sources in the meantime. But this is a SPA. I'm involved in a very narrow list of topics. I asked several times whether it's possible to have SPA, but no one is answering. Instead we are debating who edited whose commentes first. Bilseric (talk) 19:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]