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Walter Parks Thatcher in Citizen Kane. benzband (talk) 18:58, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Orson Welles. benzband (talk) 18:54, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Chinese saying as quoted by Ambassador Zhang Weidong taken from Minestry of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of China Fartherred (talk) 17:00, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment-Motto lacks wikilink.benzband (talk) 17:19, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - The application to Wikipedia would be that an editor cannot become an experienced editor by one day of reading policy and editing. Is there an essay or policy that says about that that the saying can link to? Fartherred (talk) 17:50, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kommentar - Now I have added a link. If the motto is not approved, I might nominate it again with a different link. Fartherred (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - You can always make an "edit", with different links. (see example below :) ~ benzband (talk) 10:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit 1, with an extra link. benzband (talk) 10:08, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - not enough discussion. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 23:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Men in Black (1997) Shriram (talk) 03:28, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Fartherred (talk) 03:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened Needs a little more consensus to send through.--LAAFan 22:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Try and join the scene but you're too obscene,
You're looking like a big, fat, pink, baked bean;
How did you figure that you'd be any use,
when all you're gonna get is my abuse?
The Sex Pistols in Satellite. benzband (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
→ They think they're so clever, they think they're so right
But the truth is only known by guttersnipe
The Clash in Garageland. benzband (talk) 12:21, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
Duh. benzband (talk) 20:36, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
It is hard to improve without admitting error.
Fartherred (talk) 14:54, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Reviewed and found acceptable, well stated and useful motto. NewbyG ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Excellent. — Smtchahal (talk | contribs) 05:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support --Thereen (talk) 08:08, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
Support(Switching my preference and support to Edit 1 below) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:51, 11 March 2012 (UTC)- Weak Support - have also made an edit using WP:ADMIT (see below). benzband (talk) 11:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit 1 ~ benzband (talk) 11:17, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support (this version) Wikipedia:Admitting you're wrong seems to be better. –pjoef (talk • contribs)
- Support This is much better than the one above! ·Add§hore· Talk To Me! 13:48, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support (this edit 1) : much better link. NewbyG ( talk) 20:58, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - I should not support my own nomination, but I do not oppose the changed link. Fartherred (talk) 13:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - I found it hard to determine which one was the best option. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Give it to him. Why? It's his.
--Ankit MaityTalkContribs 16:29, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Comment This one is OKish, no reason to rule it out, (I tidied the punctuation). NewbyG ( talk) 03:51, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - not enough discussion. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 17:45, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
"Leaving" by Hate Dept. form their 1998 album Technical Difficulties. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 17:55, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - This motto is a simple expression of bigotry. Fartherred (talk) 20:27, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
- Óppose, procedural oppose, this one may result in too much acrimony, we probably ought to be cautious, and not take that risk. NewbyG ( talk) 20:02, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 21:42, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 16:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Note: Variants of this phrase were featured in June 2006 (All your knowledge are belong to us!) and March 2007 (All your edits are belong to us!). -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- I don't see the connection to Wikipedia:Link rot; would you explain, please? Thanks, -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:59, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- The English is broken, the links are broken. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 19:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Or
Sudowoodo 1. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 19:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support, this edit with the link to Wikipedia:WTF. The text is classic, of course, might even be suitable for an April Fool motto, perhaps. Ty NewbyG ( talk) 01:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Our deeds are sometimes better than our thoughts
Festus: "A Village Feast" by Philip James Bailey (1816-1902). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
"Bellum omnium contra omnes" by Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:29, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Listen to me, mister. You're my knight in shining armor. Don't you forget it. You're going to get back on that horse, and I'm going to be right behind you, holding on tight, and away we're gonna go, go, go!
On Golden Pond (1981). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Everybody has a story to tell
Not quite sure where this is from. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 00:52, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Joe Strummer maybe? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1900-1944) in The Little Prince. benzband (talk) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Weak Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Billy, british duke. benzband (talk) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821), french/corsican general and emperor. benzband (talk) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night.
Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.
The Clash in London's Burning. benzband (talk) 17:41, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support[er of The Clash] :D ~ What are the "yellow lights"? WP:MOS? WP:PNA? Wikipedia:Cleanup? Category:Wikipedia backlog? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night.
Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.
Edit 1, per pjoef. benzband (talk) 20:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ I can't think of a better way to spend the night.
Than speeding around underneath the yellow lights.
Edit 2, with a link playing on the idea of light. benzband (talk) 20:42, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Jesus Christ (7–2 BC to 30–36 AD), the central figure of Christianity; also regarded as an important prophet of God in Islam. benzband (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hum... not really a motto (imho), but the link works fine.
Are you referring to the Gospel According to Mark (12:28)?
-pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.- Yes, that's the one… benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
William Shakespeare (1564-1616), english poet and playwright in Hamlet. benzband (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hum... :) this is about the fear of death and the refuse to take any action during "our" lifetime, and "the undiscover'd country" is the land of the dead. ([The Tragedy of ] Hamlet, Prince of Denmark, Act III, Scene I: Elsinore. A Room in the Castle, Hamlet's famous "To be, or not to be" soliloquy):
To be, or not to be— that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them. To die— to sleep—
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die— to sleep.
To sleep— perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub!
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despis'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death—
The undiscover'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns— puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.— Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia!— Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins rememb'red.He (Hamlet) asks himself whether he should accept, fight, or give up with his life. "Be all my sins rememb'red!!!" :D –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:23, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, i suppose people do leave Wikipedia… benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Elbert Hubbard (1856-1915), american writer, artist and philosopher. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - This motto currently links to the User:Skomorokh/No problem page by redirect. Fartherred (talk) 06:53, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit 1 –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:27, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Edit 1 is acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 02:56, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Of course ;-) benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900), german philosopher, poet and composer. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- 100,000 €/$/£, or less? Hahaha. Anyway, I totally disagree with this very-very stupid sentence (very-very few have the opportunity to try to have this "privilege", which is not a privilege but the contrary because everything is connected/linked, try to turn off the Sun, and only a very-very small part of them is able to reach this "goal", which is not a goal), but I support the motto because of the link. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Quite right, no price should be paid as this is no privilege, but a human right. But in the context of Wikipedia i just meant that WP does everything it can to stay independent. benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
— Winston Churchill (1874-1965), british politician (notably PM during WWII).
This quote could also be used with regard to the WP user-warning system, which is based on levels ({{uw-v1}}, {{uw3}}, {{uw-block}}…) benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: He (Winston Churchill) is saying to hit the point three times = to disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point, which is not a good message to convey, but as a separate/standalone sentence it could work. What about using WP:3RR? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:54, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose. - Too ambiguous. Fartherred (talk) 02:55, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
Edit 1, per pjoef. benzband (talk) 16:29, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
→ I don't care too much for money. Money can't buy me love.
From Paul McCartney in Can't Buy Me Love
- comment - This should be considered an alternative to the Union of Bought and Paid for Scientists motto below. Fartherred (talk) 14:45, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - accepting one doesn't dismiss the possibility of the other getting accepted as well ;) benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support ~ Well done! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend, you may win the argument but you lose a friend
- This phrase was often used in my school bulletin board. Hope, it is suitable here. Madhuric (talk) 09:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - could you find some good link(s) for your motto? benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend; you may win the argument, but you will lose your friend.
Edit 1 - Suitable links found, and grammar corrected. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 22:40, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - i have also proposed a slight addition in edit 2. :-) benzband (talk) 09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
Debate and discuss but don't argue with a friend; you may win the argument, but you will lose your friend.
Edit 2, added a final link. benzband (talk) 09:18, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support Looks better. :-) Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 20:54, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support (edit 2). Excellent Teamwork! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
From the film Rocky Balboa (2006), where Rocky (Sylvester Stallone) gives his only son (Milo Ventimiglia) some profound advice. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 04:57, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - although i don't get the first link. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kommentar It means that it doesn't matter whether you're an admin or not, but whether you can keep a cool head during disputes. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 22:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- ok, it makes more sense now benzband (talk) 09:14, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kommentar It means that it doesn't matter whether you're an admin or not, but whether you can keep a cool head during disputes. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 22:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - I understand that you intend the motto to mean that using admin power in an edit war is not what decides the issue, but rather being cool and using accepted policy based arguments in a good dispute resolution process will bring good results. However this is based upon using your explanation as a crutch for a motto that is too lame to explain itself. There is a valuable heart but it should be improved. Fartherred (talk) 02:48, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
Edit 1 - How about this one? Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 14:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 00:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
→ It ain't about how hard you hit; it's about how hard you can get hit, and keep moving forward.
Edit 2 ~ Does this work? There are some alternatives such as WP:FORGIVE for both "how hard you can get hit" and "keep moving forward". –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:09, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Edit 1 or Edit 2, either is OK.
- Oppose It doesn't look very interesting. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 05:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - Was this phrase created specifically for the link? In any case i would prefer to see an actual quote (such as the ones further down the page) rather than this self-cited nom, as it would be more interesting and we happen to have several at hand. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - Yes. I made up the motto to be ironic humorous advice in how to deal with tendentious editing. I should have linked "stamp" to WP:COOL and "tendentious editing" separately to WP:Tendentious editing. I cannot turn what is not a quote into a quote so I would be satisfied if the Rodney King quote below gets approved as a motto. Editors certainly have the right to prefer quotations for mottos. Fartherred (talk) 02:33, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support even if it is more a warning than a motto. Stop instead of "Stamp out" and an exclamation mark "!" could also work. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:24, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - The stamping motto above, the fluoridation motto below, and this one all link to WP:Tendentious editing. We should pick one of the three and that should be enough until we have run mottos linking a fair selection of what is available in WP: space. Fartherred (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Because we're humans. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support martyx tkctgy 14:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Shriram (talk) 14:32, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support Mrlittleirish 14:43, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - Fartherred (talk) 20:45, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Weak support - i think it could do without the sockpuppetry link. Also, couldn't a more original approach be found for the duck test? benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Quackstion: Does it need to be atributed to James Whitcomb Riley: "when I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck"? –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Quack 1 with only one link, per benzband. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:36, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support either edit but prefer the single link martyx tkctgy 14:00, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Desiderius Erasmus (c.a. 1466–1536), De Ratione Studii. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:35, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Support - The links on the latin one make it look like "create friendly editors" ;) benzband (talk) 19:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
- Reviewed, found quite acceptable at this time. Perusing Erasmus, came across - "But one thing the facts cry out, and it can be clear, as they say, even to a blind man, that often through the translator’s clumsiness or inattention the Greek has been wrongly rendered; often the true and genuine reading has been corrupted by ignorant scribes, which we see happen every day, or altered by scribes who are half-taught and half-asleep."[24] So he included the Greek text to permit qualified readers to verify the quality of his Latin version. -- Just a suggestion, though the effect of over-linking can be comical, perhaps too much of a good thing.
- Suggest change to (?) Aurora Musis amica ("Dawn is friend to the Muses") Still ... NewbyG ( talk) 23:48, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- support - The first version is acceptable. Fartherred (talk) 02:42, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Submitting this as a variation on the above, thanks. NewbyG ( talk) 21:25, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment: I like the links you've used, but there is an unwritten rule that prohibits to link to the main/article namespace with the exception of Wikipedia. I must confess that personally I have never understood the reason for this. Probably, it serves to promote other namespaces such as WikiProjects, Help pages, MoS, Policies and guidelines, and etcetera. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Note: There is a new proposal to use wlink to articles in the article/main namespace. Please, give us your opinion about this. Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 20:26, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose - i think linking to "friendship" is rather confusing in parallel with "muses", to those who haven't got a clue what the latin means. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb (1964) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:38, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
- Support - ??? benzband (talk) 18:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
- Reviewed, found needs work at this time. How about Tendentious editing is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plot we have ever had to face. NewbyG ( talk) 15:52, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
- Although that may seem better, this is a quote and therefore we must respect it as is otherwise it isn't really a quote (sorry if i'm a trifle unclear ;) Also, you can make an "edited" version below (using level 4 header) if you wish to do so. Cheers ~ benzband (talk) 17:23, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
→ Tendentious editing is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous plot we have ever had to face.
Edit 1 ~ Submitting a variation on the above, thanks. Note though that this is no longer a direct quote, so no arrow (is that right?) NewbyG ( talk) 21:20, 10 March 2012 (UTC)
- Well, it's a very little variation of, so I readded the arrow link. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 12:15, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- I support using the quote, but without linking to tendentious editing. Just the straight quote, it is the most monstrous and dangerous plot of which I am aware and for which the facts are well known and accessible. User:Pedant (talk) 17:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - Without linking to WP policy, it cannot be considered for MOTD. Fartherred (talk) 18:29, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- To correct my statement: A motto of the day must deal with Wikipedia policy, whether by literal interpretation of the words or by links that show a metaphorical relationship. Fartherred (talk) 18:40, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - See the discussion on the talk page, about links, if interested. NewbyG ( talk) 03:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
Reopened - no consensus. Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - I have now offered two mottos that link to WP:Tendentious editing, above. So we are not forced to consider the fluoridation controversy as an example of tendentiousness. It is considered humorous by some, but some people still drink bottled water to avoid fluoridation. So, pick your motto. Fartherred (talk) 21:57, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
- Oppose - i think the meaning is understood just with the link, you don't need to change the quote itself to include "tendentious editing". benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- This phrase is often found in prayers. Hope, it is suitable here.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anubhab91 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, welcome to MOTD and thanks for your contribution. However do you know the source, if there is one? Also, culd you find some links to make this relevant to Wikipedia? Simply south...... facing oncoming traffic for over 5 years 18:44, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Here is one source from the Gita:
- Tamasa Ma Yotirgamaya Anubhab91 (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit 1 - Welcome to MOTD!, user:Anubhab91, and thank you for the suggestion for our motto shop. This Edit 1 (a fourth-level header used) is now linked to a page in WPspace. People, please look carefully at the (2) articles also linked, they are educational, and uplifting, which is what a motto ought to strive to be, and they also represent what we are really here for, the writing of articles. Please, any users who are wishing to discuss the matter of links, there is a section currently open on the talk page for the project, comments are welcome there. (Sorry, I didn't do the arrow thing, could some other helpful user care to comment and fix that if convenient. Linking to the Gita ought to do, or...) Ty NewbyG ( talk) 07:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
- Kommentar - Am i to understand this has been used by the motto shop? in which case it shouldn't really be used again here. benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Why not? There are some mottos that have been used over and over again, think to "all for one and one for all" for example. Also, this was (probably) used for Motto Shop but not here. I'm for using it here (if there is consensus, of course). –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Edit 2 - I add another link to policy and remove the link to for light because it can be understood without a link. "Let there be light." was the moto for the 14th of June, 2010. I searched back through archive 20 and there was no motto "let the darkness be gone." so there is no reason to oppose this nomination on that grounds. If it is a problem we could remove: "Let there be light." Fartherred (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- How about using WP:FA for "let there be light"? I will support this version (edit 2) with or without the WP:FA/light link. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 10:47, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support as per pjoef suggestion martyx tkctgy 13:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
The slower and more carefully I go, and if I keep my cool, it seems that the quicker I get there!
- Submitted, hope people like the links. Please do a fourth-level header if an improvement comes to mind. NewbyG ( talk) 03:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment So you're saying that if users keep a cool head, they will turn from eventualists to inclusionists? Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 05:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for commenting; I may have been a bit cryptic here, so to answer your question: I consider myself both an inclusionist and an eventualist, what I was trying to say here is something like "keep a cool head and you will achieve your goals". NewbyG ( talk) 06:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Comment - once explained, i see what you mean; but this may be a bit confusing to the random motto-reader. Maybe a tweaking of the links could make this work better? benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
→ I'm going to live through this, and when it's all over, I'll never be hungry again - no, nor any of my folks!
Gone with the Wind (1939) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:55, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support Looks good. Bulldog73 talk da contribs go rando 05:08, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 15:43, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support but shouldn't it be I'll never be... instead of I'll never be...? martyx tkctgy 13:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
→ The bad affright, afflict the best!
Daughter of Jove, relentless power,
Thou tamer of the human breast.
Whose iron scourge and torturing hour
The bad affright, afflict the best!
Thomas Gray (1716–1771), Hymn to Adversity (1753). Trying to promote a WikiProject. –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:43, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support And no adversity shall overcome us! NewbyG ( talk) 03:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 14:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support martyx tkctgy 13:54, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Excerpt :
Siberian: [after audition] Bullshit.
Igor: How come?
Siberian: No commercial potential. Go America, everything goes there.
Of course i could have used WP:BAND ("the worst rock band in the world") but it's right below. — benzband (talk) 17:59, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Support –pjoef (talk • contribs) 07:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
Reopened (not enough discussion) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 09:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support martyx tkctgy 13:53, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Oscar Wilde <removed confusing comment> This phrase accounts for lots of people taking a go at Wikipedia, although it [WP] is probably the most awesome encyclopedia the world has ever seen (as yet :) benzband (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- support
weakly- Wikipedia has limitations and faults, but the cursory examination I gave to the WP:Criticisms article reveals disparaging comments that are mostly not based in fact. If some one has ulterior motives for thinking something is ugly, they are likely able to convince themselves. The motto is aesthetically displeasing considering the implication of the link that some people consider Wikipedia ugly. Fartherred (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2012 (UTC)- comment - you probably meant WP:Criticism, not WP:Criticisms, as it was WP:Criticism that was linked on this motto. Once again, the link enlightens the reader. The word "ugly" should not be taken "à la Lettre"; the inferred meaning is more that Wikipedia is a great encyclopedia, but even being such does not make it perfect. That is, i think, also Wilde's intention. Cheers ~ benzband (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - It makes more sense now that ben sent me to the correct link. There is no use explaning how I got to the wrong link. Fartherred (talk) 07:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
→ No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly.
Edit 1 –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
→ No object is so ugly that, under certain conditions, it will not look beautiful.
Edit 2 by rewording the sentence (if possible) –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:19, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- Support - benzband (talk) 14:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Frank Zappa on Thicke of the Night (1984). benzband (talk) 10:42, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
- oppose - Mocking references to God and republicans is not the purpose of Wikipedia. The spirit of the real silly article link should be applied to the real silly motto which should not be accepted. Fartherred (talk) 02:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - i neither wish to "mock" or offend you (or anybody) with this this motto, and i do not think/assertain doing so is "the purpose of Wikipedia" :-) Motds should be taken on a different level than the simple phrase, in which the author expresses his POV of something being ridiculous and (jokingly) that shouldn't have been created. Now, the link[s], is [are] key to understanding: thus, here, the ridiculous thing is not Republicans as you may have thought, but a preposterous article, and the creator is actually a Wikipedian unaware [or not?] of the guideline. This quote is intended as humour, just as is the linked essay; the quote may (or may not) make you smile; in any case i for one thought it was hilarious (of course, i am probably biased on that last comment for being an atheist and leftist ;) benzband (talk) 19:13, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - You write: "the ridiculous thing is...a preposterous article" but there is no relation between the motto and a preposterous article other than the link. You might as well write: "Which Backstreet Boy is Gay", link it to WP:RRRSAITYRRRSNC and write I did not mean to offend, the whole point is the link. Still there might be Backstreet Boy fan or a homosexual who is offended (I read often enough in the paper about homosexuals being offended). If the link is the whole thing write: Eat an apple every day. But since you wrote what you wrote I believe you intended to make fun of God and Republicans with the excuse that it was only a link to policy. Your motto is as ridiculous as the excuse, not very funny, not an earth shaking insult, but not a high quality motto. Fartherred (talk) 06:09, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - "Which Backstreet Boy is Gay" is different from this nom. Here, Zappa is (jokingly) saying that something (in this case, the Republican Party, i think) is so bad it shouldn't have been created in the first place. I am quoting him and linking to an essay about "really silly things you shouldn't create" (get the parallel?). Now, your AfD proposal isn't even attributed, which of course would lead to confusion. It is an example of things you shouldn't create, i suppose, but i believe it is a pretty lame idea for a motto, in any case compared with this one.
- Also, i'm not "make fun of God and Republicans", Zappa is. If you think about, God here isn't attacked. God created everything, therefore he created the Republican Party. The perceived insult being that he then realized it wasn't such a good idea, would be perceived by Republicans. Now, i believe they can take a joke. But if you don't like it, that's your unalienable right. You can oppose it. Simple a that. benzband (talk) 13:29, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- comment - It is not required that a motto be a quote and have attribution. The "Look both ways" motto and many others have not had attribution. The important thing is that this motto makes fun of God and republicans. The song title making fun of the Backstreet Boys is not suitable for a motto for good reason and the same principle applies to any other group that a motto might make fun of. Fartherred (talk) 01:08, 20 March 2012 (UTC)