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'{{Usertalkback|you=watched|me=watched|icon=info}} ==My Talk Page Archives== [[/Talk page archive 2008]] [[/Talk page archive 2009]] [[/Talk page archive 2010]] ==Feedback == {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:Original_Barnstar.png|100px]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I hereby award ''The Original Barnstar'' to Keithbob for particularly fine and diligent editing at the [[Stock market bottom]] article. Keep up the good work. :) <font face="Trebuchet MS"><b>&mdash; [[User:Neurolysis|neuro]]</b>^{<i>[[User talk:Neurolysis|(talk)]]</i>}</font> 12:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC) |} {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #fdffe7;" |rowspan="2" valign="top" | [[Image:Civility barnstar.png]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''Civility Award''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Thanks for your civility in our discussion of the [[John Mayer]] article.Esprit15d • <small>[[User_talk:Esprit15d |talk]]</small> • <small>[[Special:Contributions/Esprit15d|contribs]]</small> 20:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC) |} {| style="border: 1px solid gray; background-color: #FDFFE7;" |rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[File:Handshake_icon.svg|100px|left|]] |rowspan="2" | |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Good Friend Award''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | The Good Friend Award is greatly and enormously appreciated, but only accepted if it is shared, because it is people like you who are the driving force behind a constructive wikipedia! :) [[User:Robster1983|Robster1983]] ([[User talk:Robster1983|talk]]) 16:27, 5 February 2011 (UTC) |} John Butler and, indeed, wikipedia is better now. Thank you for your calm, mature and professional approach to a possibly difficult situation. I hope we can collaborate on another article one day.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|''shaidar cuebiyar'']] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 19:18, 11 March 2011 (UTC) <div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">[[File:Choco chip cookie.png|100px|left]] Shaidar cuebiyar has given you a [[cookie]]! Cookies promote [[Wikipedia:WikiLove|WikiLove]] and hopefully this one has made your day better. You can Spread the "WikiLove" by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. <br /> To spread the goodness of cookies, you can add {{tls|Cookie}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message, or eat this cookie on the giver's talk page with {{tls|munch}}! {{clear}} </div> == Mediation == Thank you for agreeing to participate in mediation in the past. We don't seem to be able to resolve this "bone of contention" on our own. I will be requesting formal mediation on the lead of the TM article, specifically this sentence, "Independently done systematic reviews have not found health benefits for TM beyond relaxation or health education." Please let me know if you wish to be included, or alternately you may add yourself to the list of involved users once the request is made. Thanks.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 20:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)) == [[Dickie Goodman]] == I don't know how it happened, but you added a talk page template to the [[Dickie Goodman]] article. I moved the template to the talk page, but I am not a member of the GoCE so you should check it and the article. [[Special:Contributions/71.234.215.133|71.234.215.133]] ([[User talk:71.234.215.133|talk]]) 11:42, 1 February 2011 (UTC) :When I look at my diffs for my edits to the article I don't see any indication of having anything to do with that. However, if you fixed something, that's good. :-) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dickie_Goodman&diff=next&oldid=398983837 Right here?] [[Special:Contributions/71.234.215.133|71.234.215.133]] ([[User talk:71.234.215.133|talk]]) 17:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC) :Ok, the diff you've provided shows that I removed the clean up tag and replaced it with a tag from the Copy Editors Guild. I don't see the problem. Please explain. thanks.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 17:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC) [[:Template:GOCEreviewed]] is a talk page tag. "Use this template on an article's talk page...". That's why I moved it. What caught my attention was the background color: article templates are mostly light blue. Templates with a tan background are used, as far as I know, only on talk pages. [[Special:Contributions/71.234.215.133|71.234.215.133]] ([[User talk:71.234.215.133|talk]]) 18:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC) ::Ah yes, thanks for correcting that. However, since your revert I have gone ahead and removed the Clean Up tags. You don't have any objection there do you? --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 18:03, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Not at all. [[Special:Contributions/71.234.215.133|71.234.215.133]] ([[User talk:71.234.215.133|talk]]) 18:10, 1 February 2011 (UTC) == Meditation Cabal Case: Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-02-03/National Democratic Party (Egypt) == Good day, This is a message to inform you that you are a named as a party being involved in the following Mediation Cabal case: [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2011-02-03/National Democratic Party (Egypt)]]. Please take notice that your case has been taken by a this editor as a mediator and an initial review has been filed in the case, and is now awaiting discussion from you and other involved parties. For comments regarding this matter, please leave me a message on my talk page. For discussion involving this case, please see the relevant section within the case itself. Thank you, [[User:ltcb2412 | LTC b2412]] ^{[[Special:Contributions/Ltcb2412|Troops]]} _{[[User_talk:ltcb2412|Talk]]} 00:19, 4 February 2011 (UTC) == GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion == {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/January 2011/Newsletter 2-1}} <small>Delivered by [[User:MessageDeliveryBot|MessageDeliveryBot]] on behalf of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors|WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors]] at 15:21, 5 February 2011 (UTC).</small> <!-- Delivery requested and approved by [[User:The Utahraptor]]. --> == Kaveh Farrokh == Hi, Please read my last comment in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kaveh_Farrokh#rfctag this Rfc]. Is wikipedia a ''dealing company ?!!!'' Now that I have discovered it, the author should have his own article. [[User:in fact|<font color="green" face="Tahoma">*** '''in fact''' ***</font>]] [[User talk:in fact|<font color="grey">( contact )</font>]] 11:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC) :I'm not sure what you mean or why you are contacting me. Please be more specific in that regard. Thank you.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 17:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC) ==Hi== Hi. I apologize for having offended you at the Donald Trump BLP Noticeboard. I also left an apology there and struck the offending comment. I explained there what I was trying to do, but obviously I used ill-chosen words. Yours, [[User:[email protected]|[email protected]]] ([[User talk:[email protected]|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC) :Your apology is graciously accepted. Thank you for having the strength of character to do so. Cheers!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 19:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC) ==[[John Butler (musician)|John Butler]]== Have just had a look at some of your recent edits and am concerned that you have removed some of the notable/unique characteristics about John Butler, particularly in respect to how he first became established as a credible musician. Also need to include details about his playing style, his solo release etc. I agree with your view that the article needs to be more objective - its just that we need to find that happy medium. [[User:Dan arndt|Dan arndt]] ([[User talk:Dan arndt|talk]]) 02:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC) :Great, I'm happy to collaborate with you. That's why I posted on the talk page, explaining what I was doing and inviting other editors to participate with me in improving the article. I look forward to working with you on the article and the talk page :-)--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 19:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC) ==Baiting== Re: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&oldid=415194922#User:Bobthefish2 Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts#User:Bobthefish2]<br/> In the past, I regret failing to do enough to oppose [[WP:Harassment|harassment]] in the form of [[WP:Baiting|baiting]]. I responded to [[User:Bobthefish2|Bobthefish2]]'s new gambit [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute&diff=415040974&oldid=415037494 here] at [[Senkaku Islands dispute]] by posting this: {{outdent}}[[WP:AGF]] is drained of meaning by <s>[[WP:POKING]]</s> <b>[[WP:BAITING]]</b> -- see context [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&diff=414763632&oldid=414763222 here] + [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Senkaku_Islands_dispute&action=historysubmit&diff=414734827&oldid=414731803 here] which justifies <b>[[Zero tolerance#Zero tolerance and harassment and bullying in the workplace|zero tolerance]]</b>. This makes me sad. I didn't understand.--[[User:Tenmei|Tenmei]] ([[User talk:Tenmei|talk]]) 21:27, 21 February 2011 (UTC) :Hi Tenmei and thanks for your post. You are referencing a rather long, multiple page post that I commented on at Wikiquette. I do not see any value in having a side conversation here. If you have some input, then it would be best to leave it on the Wikiquette page and let other members of the community come in and comment. My personal assessment is that you are in the middle of a protracted dispute between several editors and that it is going require a more formal dispute resolution process than the Wikiquette page. You can find out what other dispute resolution options exist on Wikipedia by going to [[WP:DR]]. Good luck.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 21:02, 22 February 2011 (UTC) == Waiting for response to undos and edits on Tom van Flandern == Several editors did reverts in Tom van Flandern article and posterior edits without discussing them at talk page. I commented this on [[Talk:Tom_Van_Flandern]], but received '''no response'''. I commented this in my talk page [[User_talk:JuanR]], in the section about civility where you posted, but received '''no response'''. I commented this in the Wikiquete allerts (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts&oldid=413173016#Tom_Van_Flandern), where you again posted, but received '''no response'''. You did some comments about my civility in my talk page and in Wikiquette alerts, but you did not comment about the central issue: the quality of edits. I will comment this here '''waiting some response''': :Why must the consensus edition achieved by several editors who actively discussed in the talk page be substituted by DH editor version, who did his changes without first achieving consensus in the talk page? : Why is the DH version, which deletes some references, better than the previous? : Why is the original wording about the Meta Research Bulletin substituted by the new? What is the gain in writing something like "TvF published a publication"? : The original version contains the fact that Carlip article only analyzed aberration (which correspond to one section in TvF PLA article), why was this fact deleted in the new version? : Why are papers in PRE and other top journals labeled as papers by "non-mainstream authors". Whereas other authors (with zero publications in the topic in PRE) are labeled as "undisputed authority"? Who gives the labels and in basis to what? Editor preferences? In the talk page I gave two links to a famous physicist who disputes the authority of that "undisputed authority". : Why is Feynman cited after of "those claims were not accepted by the majority of scientific community", as if he was rejecting the works cited, when Feynman passed away before those works were published. : Why has the heading "Non-mainstream beliefs" been substituted by "Non-mainstream science and believes"? : Why was the section "Awards and honors" moved to the end? Thanks by your collaboration. [[User:JuanR|JuanR]] ([[User talk:JuanR|talk]]) 20:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC) :Dear Juan, Thank you for your post. I am not an administrator and I also do not have any interest in becoming embroiled in the dispute(s) currently going on at the [[Tom van Flandern]] article. I simply responded to a post on the Wikiquette page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts/archive98#Tom_Van_Flandern]. Wikiquette, as you know, is a public forum where any editor(s) may post concerns and receive feed back or advice from the general community. In response to the Wikiquette post I looked at the TVF talk page and felt that you had made some incivil remarks on the talk page and I brought this to your attention on your User Page and made a note of this on the Wikiquette page. If you feel that my assessment of your behavior is incorrect, then you may ignore my advice and continue as you have been. I have no intention of taking the matter further. I understand that you are frustrated with the situation on that article and that English may not be your first language. However, I would remind you that disputes over content are not an excuse for incivil behavior, so please keep that in mind going forward. If you have issues concerning the behavior of other editors then you should investigate the various dispute resolution options which are outlined [[WP:DR|here]]. I'm sorry you are having problems with this article. Keep in mind that one option is to just walk away from the article for awhile and let things cool down. Good luck to you.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 20:56, 22 February 2011 (UTC) :: Thanks by your advices, although I already knew your position about my civility as you posted it both in my talk page and in Wikiquette alerts, and I waited to know your opinion about the central issue: the quality of the edits done in the [[Tom van Flandern]] article. You are right that English is not my first language, but still the edits done by good-faith editors as DH continue wrong. Fortunately, editor Cyclopia has just read my queries [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cyclopia#Waiting_for_response_to_your_undos_and_edits_on_Tom_van_Flandern] and "Fixed the "published a publication" redundancy". It now remains to correct the rest. [[User:JuanR|JuanR]] ([[User talk:JuanR|talk]]) 11:29, 23 February 2011 (UTC) After about two months, some anonymous editor has changed the wrong word "believes" in the heading to the correct word "beliefs". Although English is not my first language as you suggest, I am glad that with each little step, the version of the TvF article by good-faith editors as DH and Cyclopia looks more like the original consensus version which was available before their invalid edits. I am still waiting for the rest of questions raised above about the quality of the recent version of the TvF article. What is your advice? Would I wait another two months before the changes and glaring corrections are done or could I just make the changes by myself? Regards. [[User:JuanR|JuanR]] ([[User talk:JuanR|talk]]) 12:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC) ==March 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive== Hi. On behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]], I am inviting you to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives/March 2011|sign up]] for our March Backlog Elimination Drive. Win a barnstar! It's fun. --[[User:Diannaa|<span style="color:teal;">Diannaa</span>]] ^{([[User talk:Diannaa|Talk]])} 01:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC) == Shmuley Boteach == Theres been repeated vandalism through the years by single users - Can you assist in putting a lock on the page ? Please review ? [[Shmuley Boteach]] [[User:Jonathangluck|Jonathangluck]] ([[User talk:Jonathangluck|talk]]) 23:20, 9 March 2011 (UTC) :Sorry, but I am not an administrator.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC) == Request for clarification == Hello! Would you please clarify your comment on [[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#POV in a map|this noticeboard thread]]? Thanks! '''<span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User talk:Night w|<font color="black">Night</font><font color="gray">w</font>]]</span>''' 12:02, 10 March 2011 (UTC) :Done.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:31, 11 March 2011 (UTC) == Levdr10 == Your statements on my talk page are most likely a result of being uninvolved in the conversation. I have never in my entire life dealt with someone as unintelligent as Levdr10. [[User:Eightball|Eightball]] ([[User talk:Eightball|talk]]) 20:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC) :I understand your frustration. But we can't use our frustration as an excuse for personal attacks. My comments on your talk page were just a friendly heads up that if you continue calling him names, you may end up being sanctioned by an Admin. I hope you can resolve the situation without that happening. Good luck.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC) ==Beer== Thanks for your virtual beer. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 21:59, 30 March 2011 (UTC) :Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:11, 31 March 2011 (UTC) == [[Bad Rodach]] == Thanks for helping with the copy editing. I am right now updating the history part of the German version and will then translate. So more on that page will be coming. Cheers :-) --[[User:SabineCretella|SabineCretella]] ([[User talk:SabineCretella|talk]]) 19:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC) :You are most welcome. Glad you will be adding to the article! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 19:55, 8 April 2011 (UTC) ==Deepak Chopra talk page deletion== Thanks for your note. I would have left it all. OTOH, the discussion that was deleted was not particularly important. If you think it's worth keeping then you could restore it. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 21:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC) == Lynne McTaggart == Thanks for the kind message, but your revert and subsequent edit do not fix the neutrality problem. You'll agree that neutrality is a core policy of Wikipedia. The impression is still given in the text that the experiments in question support the theory. I don't see the problem with wikilinking "homeopathic": maybe it would be a good idea to put it back in? [[User:MartinPoulter|MartinPoulter]] ([[User talk:MartinPoulter|talk]]) 17:38, 19 April 2011 (UTC) *Hi Martin, the wikilink is no problem, sorry that got deleted. Either one of us can put that back in. It was an oversight, my apologies. As for neutrality, it means presenting what the source says in a neutral fashion. WP:CLAIM and WP:ALLEGED inform us that these are words that create POV. That said, I am happy to agree to disagree and take it to a noticeboard to get outside input. Would you like to do that? Thanks for working with me on this. Wiki is all about collaboration :-)Thanks!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 21:36, 19 April 2011 (UTC) ==File permission problem with File:Raam currency.JPG== [[File:Copyright-problem.svg|64px|left|alt=|link=]] Thanks for uploading '''[[:File:Raam currency.JPG]]'''. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license. 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Thank you.<!-- Template:Di-no permission-notice --> '''[[User:Ronhjones|<span style="border:1px solid black;color:black; padding:1px;background:yellow"><font color="green">&nbsp;Ron<font color="red">h</font>jones&nbsp;</font></span>]]'''^{[[User talk:Ronhjones|&nbsp;(Talk)]]} 20:29, 21 April 2011 (UTC) *{{done}}--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:34, 8 September 2011 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Ronhjones|Raam Currency JPG|ts=21:15, 21 April 2011 (UTC)}} ==Talkback== {{talkback|Ronhjones|Raam Currency JPG|ts=22:41, 25 April 2011 (UTC)}} == [[Andriy Slyusarchuk]] == Dear Keithbob, why is noone doing anything against this article? It has been reported by several different users and suggested for deletion. Everytime Wikipedia administrators just say, this article needs a massive cleanup. This repeated a few times since 2009! But noone does a cleanup. It just gets weirder and weirder with more false claims of this person. Journalists do not read the Talk page. They just google the name and see: Hey, Wikipedia also says so, it must be true. If they are very good, they look at the reference section and see just Ukrainian stuff. Of course they wont check it. And then they write it in articles and people doing research on memory performances have to explain again and again and again that this is not true. Not a single of his performanes or results is even possible. In the article the most absurd claims have been deleted, like that he proofed mind-reading, but on the topics where most authors are unfamilliar, like memory records, they still remain there. What am I supposed to do to get this fixed? And I agree that the word "claim" should be avoided. But every single fact in this article including his "biography" is only referenced with his own interviews. Everysingle demonstration is just a claim and not exepted by international institutions.[[Special:Contributions/145.253.118.83|145.253.118.83]] ([[User talk:145.253.118.83|talk]]) 06:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC) :Hello, and thanks for your note. I appreciate that you have a sincere desire to improve WP and that one of the ways that you have chosen to do that is to try and create neutral text for this article. I think you are also correct in saying that it is hard to attract neutral editors to the topic because most or all of the Refs are in a language that is foreign to English. So I will make a deal with you. If you are willing to take a balanced and systematic approach to reviewing the sources then I will participate in getting the article cleaned up. That means you take one sentence at a time and examine the citations for that sentence. If the sources are unreliable or if the sentence misrepresents the source etc. Then state your case on the talk page with a URL link to an English translation of the source using Google Translate. If you do that then I will come to the talk page and participate in examining that sentence and its corresponding sources and help you to make changes to the article that create more accurate text and neutral point of view. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC) ::Thank you. But I do not have the time to do that. Now more people added information to the Talk page of this article proving even his biography is fake and more support of Ukrainian Chess experts. I still hope this article just gets deleted. Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/145.253.118.83|145.253.118.83]] ([[User talk:145.253.118.83|talk]]) 14:59, 5 May 2011 (UTC) :::Yes, I am very busy also. There are many articles that need attention. We have to set our priorities. Good Luck.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC) ==GOCE drive newsletter== {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters/May 2011}} <small>Sent on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] on 07:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)</small> == Technical analysis changes == Just a question, and don't want to make the tech. analysis discussion page look like a forum... I have a hard time believing the Lo book states that the market is unpredictable, since Lo is a proponent of the idea that EMH is wrong and that technical analysis works. If it is in the book, he may be stating what many academics believe. However, that is the opposite of his conclusion, and using the book to reference that, unless it is made clear that Lo states that many believe this, although he sees otherwise, is a bit misleading. So my question is, did the Lo book actually state that the markets are not predictable? [[User:Sposer|Sposer]] ([[User talk:Sposer|talk]]) 18:56, 6 May 2011 (UTC) :I made some copy edits based on my general knowledge of the topic and what I thought the text was trying to state. If I have accidentely misrepresented the source, than please make a correction as that was not my intention. In general I think this article needs a lot of work. In particular, the section on EMH doesn't belong there as its off topic. But I will bring this up on the talk page. Thanks for your interest and help with the article. Cheers!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 19:15, 6 May 2011 (UTC) == Nomination of [[Kip Kay]] for deletion == <div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|42px|alt=|link=]]</div>A discussion is taking place as to whether the article '''[[Kip Kay]]''' is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to [[Wikipedia:List of policies and guidelines|Wikipedia's policies and guidelines]] or whether it should be [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deleted]]. The article will be discussed at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kip Kay]] until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines. Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. [[User:Vejvančický|Vejvančický]] ([[User_talk:Vejvančický|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Vejvančický|contribs]]) 09:54, 21 May 2011 (UTC) ==GOCE elections== {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters/June 2011/2}} <small>Sent on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] on 07:55, 19 June 2011 (UTC)</small> ==Your COI Narrative== Thanks for your note. As I posted at the top of my talk page, I always respond on the other editor's talk page. It's a habit. Regarding the COI problems the TM topic, your list does show how hard it has been to resolve these problems. I really don't understand how folks are interpreting the COI guideline, but the impression I get is that no one involved in that topic believes it applies to them. May I ask you a purely hypothetical question? Do you think that the COI guideline applies to people writing about their employers, friends, colleagues, or spiritual leaders? &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 10:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC) :Keith, would you rather I bring up COI concerns on the talk pages of individual editors? Since there are a number of editors that'd lead to some repetition, but if you think that's what's necessary at this point then I'll willing to do that instead of leaving general questions. The editors on this topic have been to the noticeboards several times, do you expect a different result with a future posting? If you think that would help I can start another COIN thread. What I'm not willing to do is ignore the problem entirely, as that can't really be done. It's like a herd of (very calm) elephants in the room. :) &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 11:35, 24 June 2011 (UTC) ::It certainly isn't my intention to harass anyone, and I don't think that I have done so unintentionally either. But I don't see anything in your posts about how to deal with the COI problems that editors refuse to address. Are you proposing that I ignore them, and that I am the only editor who should follow the COI guideline? &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 20:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC) :::Keithbob, I'm still wondering how you think it's best to handle the COI issues surrounding TM topics. You've objected when I've posted to user talk pages and to article talk pages. There have been multiple noticeboard postings, but editors keep rejecting the community feedback. The ArbCom case reaffirmed that COI is an applicable guideline. So how do we deal with this? &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 04:04, 27 June 2011 (UTC) *Both sides of this discussion, including my responses, can be viewed in one place [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Will_Beback/archive66#Your_COI_Narrative here].--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:14, 3 September 2011 (UTC) ==License tagging for File:Traditional vs. Risk Parity.pdf== Thanks for uploading [[:File:Traditional vs. Risk Parity.pdf]]. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. 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Thank you for your cooperation.<!-- User:OrphanBot/untagged-new --> --[[User:ImageTaggingBot|ImageTaggingBot]] ([[User talk:ImageTaggingBot|talk]]) 17:07, 29 June 2011 (UTC) {{done}}--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:33, 8 September 2011 (UTC) ==Talkback== {{talkback|Ukexpat|Paulson & Co.|ts=16:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC)}} [[User:Ukexpat|ukexpat]] ([[User talk:Ukexpat|talk]]) 16:29, 30 June 2011 (UTC) ==GOCE drive invitation== {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters/July 2011}} <small>Sent on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] on 09:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)</small> ==WP:Wikiquette alerts#Dave1185== *Greetings, let me point you in another direction so you can have a better picture. [[User talk:28bytes#This is a thankless work]]. Best. --<small>[[User:Dave1185|<font face="Rage Italic" size="4" style="color:#000000;color:green"><i>Dave</i></font>]] ^{<span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">[[user_talk:Dave1185|♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®]]</span>}</small> 13:55, 16 July 2011 (UTC) **Thanks Dave, the user now understands from several editors that his behavior is not acceptable. Hopefully he will settle down and become productive but if the attacks continue then maybe an uninvolved Admin could step in and take appropriate action. Thanks for all your good work on Wiki. Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 19:19, 16 July 2011 (UTC) == Your DYK nomination of Norman E. Rosenthal == [[Image:Symbol question.svg|25px]] Hello! Your submission of [[Norman E. Rosenthal]] at the [[Template talk:DYK|Did You Know nominations page]] has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath '''{{T:TDYK|Norman E. Rosenthal|your nomination's entry}}''' and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! <!--Template:DYKproblem--> Sorry it looks like this one isn't going to work out for you (unless you have a ''lot'' more material for further expansion), but please try again with your next article. [[User:Mandarax|<font color="green">M<small>AN</small>d<small>ARAX</small></font>]]&nbsp;<font color="blue">•</font>&nbsp;[[User talk:Mandarax|<font color="999900"><small>XAЯA</small>b<small>ИA</small>M</font>]] 19:48, 18 July 2011 (UTC) :OK thanks, I'm still learning about the process. Appreciate your help.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC) == Changes to David Deida's bio == Hi Keithbob, Thanks for the cleanup/clarifications you made to David Deida's entry recently. I am a new editor and am moving slowly to examine what is appropriate to revert, change or clarify, following along w/ your examples and guidelines references (thank you for those!).[[User:Jcarey1|Jcarey1]] ([[User talk:Jcarey1|talk]]) 21:53, 21 July 2011 (UTC) :Great, let's work together to improve the article. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 21:55, 21 July 2011 (UTC) * Thanks Keithbob! The basic items I'm looking at concern the addition of self-help in the bio, the # of books published by Deida from ten to five, and the citations that were removed. I'm looking into your suggestions for the use of inline URLs and links for citations as well, and will verify all sources for citations I propose we add back to the text. I really appreciate your patience w/ this. There is a lot to learn here so I'll take it step by step :) [[User:Jcarey1|Jcarey1]] ([[User talk:Jcarey1|talk]]) 22:42, 21 July 2011 (UTC) :Let me know if I can answer any questions or steer you in the right direction. Meantime let's start a discussion on the David Deida talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:David_Deida#Welcome_other_Editors here] OK?--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 22:52, 21 July 2011 (UTC) == [[Bob Ross]] == I want to thank you for the input at this article. I wish you could stick around and keep it honest. LessHeard is off his/her rocker and just throwing around pseudointellectual crap, bullying people around and restricting the progress on that article. As of now it isn't bad, but they need to yank the halo off Bob Ross and keep it simple. Also, keep it honest. Anyway, thanks again.[[Special:Contributions/75.21.99.57|75.21.99.57]] ([[User talk:75.21.99.57|talk]]) 00:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC) :I've left a commment on the talk page. Cheers!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 01:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC) Your reasonable and much needed comment has been noted. Thanks for the healthy dose of rational, logical thought there![[Special:Contributions/76.195.83.171|76.195.83.171]] ([[User talk:76.195.83.171|talk]]) 05:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC) == Thank you. == :::Thank you for being civil to me. Will you help to restore the article as it was to this point so that it can be discussed. I am not capable of doing anything further right now but feel like a melt-down. I have many personal issues I am trying to deal with and this attack on me and the article is devastating to me and I can no longer think clearly. Please help altho perhaps you are upset with me, as I opposed you. [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 14:16, 3 August 2011 (UTC) ::::You are welcome, everyone deserves to be treated in a civil way. I am not upset with you, my only concern is the article. I understand your position, that you have spent a lot of time on the article [[Web Sheriff]] and you feel committed to preserving it. But when we get consistent feedback from the community that the way we are thinking about something is not correct, then we have to listen and step back and reconsider our position. I know this is not always easy to do, but its a necessary part of the collaboration process on Wikipedia. Nothing belongs to us, it belongs to the community and will always be subject to change. I am sorry to hear that you are having some personal challenges. All the more reason to give yourself some time away from Wikipedia and let things settle. Most of the changes I see are good and I think the situation just got to the point where some folks just felt it was time to stop talking and make bold changes. I think having a discussion first would have given the same result only more slowly. Remember, you are a good person and a good editor, and a good Wikipedia volunteer. Take some time to rest and rejuvenate yourself. Best, --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:33, 3 August 2011 (UTC) ::::::: I depend on you to be as fair as your conscience takes you. Please take the time to restore fragmented references and not stub the article please. Will you remove the tage also. When you get through there should be no conflict. I do feel like this was an all out attack on me by them and showing me a thing or two for my honesty on other articles and viewpoints.I should have known to only speak WikiTalk. I was not in the condition to handle it calmly and that was taken advantage of by editors who should have been balanced and more patient. I am going to take your advice and relax for now. Thank you agian. [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 15:02, 3 August 2011 (UTC) :::::::::::I had no idea this would be misinterpreted that I was taking an extended break. I was sick that day and had to rest for a few hours. I can see that I wasn't perfectly clear that it was for only a few hours or until I felt better but I did say "right now". I was expecting as you can see that the article would be put back in condition as in place at time of NPOV event or that you would make only minor edits. (I was very ill that day!) It's regretful if you mistook what I said. Cheers, [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 18:21, 13 August 2011 (UTC) ==LOL== You turned out to be the worst of the lot. Acting civil and concerned that I was hurting from the attack when having huge life problems to deal with. You drove through the article like a tornado and left a path of destruction. Removing material that was defo not POV, even the reception which told how fans have an angry reaction. That shows a POV on your part, Keithbob, and eaving the references ragged and red. Hope you feel good about everything. I know you do feel completely justified and are having a good chuckle. You and your friends were wrong and hurtful and destructive. But the majority rules, huh? Hope you are having a good evening doing some transcendental meditaiton, perhaps? Cheers, 20:28, 3 August 2011 (UTC) :I'll fix the refs when I have time, but as I have said repeatedly, you are taking this much too personally and you need a break. Good luck to you. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 20:19, 3 August 2011 (UTC) :::How dare you? TOO SERIOUSLY!!! A year of voluntary work destroyed. Hours and hours of my free time! and you dismiss it? What kind of an editor, are you? You should know the seriousness of it! [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 20:24, 3 August 2011 (UTC) == [[Talk:Bob Ross|Bob Ross discussion page]] == Sorry, I had to post again here. I'd like you to see this excerpt, my latest addition to the talk pages. And by the way, who removed the ability to edit the article? Why was that done? ''From the Painting section: "Ross's former mentor, William Alexander, has claimed that he taught Ross the "wet-on-wet" technique and that Ross "betrayed him" by presenting the technique as his own." ''This does not sound right. Alexander "claimed he taught" Ross? Ross himself acknowledged twice that Alexander taught him. Is this the final expression of that fact for the article? I object to that sentence. It should state that Bill Alexander taught Ross the method. Ross acknowledged this, and thanked Alexander (on the air) for being his teacher. The rest of it mentioning Alexander's feelings of betrayal is OK as-is. But I see that editing is out of the question. Who blocked the article from editing? Or am I missing something as usual?76.195.83.171 (talk) 05:15, 5 August 2011 (UTC)'''' Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bob_Ross" What is going on over there? Is there a vandal? Or is Nuujinn simply reverting every little improvement I try to make there?[[Special:Contributions/76.195.83.171|76.195.83.171]] ([[User talk:76.195.83.171|talk]]) 05:22, 5 August 2011 (UTC) :Profound thanks for weighing in with the fact and the re-do of the sentence. I concur with your work there and the application of rules. I wish Elektric Shoos would get off that verifiability horse, as if no one else understood it. I'm sick of all this "verifiability trumps truth" crap, and it really has no application here as the fact satisfies that anyway.[[Special:Contributions/76.195.85.222|76.195.85.222]] ([[User talk:76.195.85.222|talk]]) 06:44, 6 August 2011 (UTC) ::We have to keep in mind that Wikipedia is collaborative and sometimes that's frustrating. I have the page on my watchlist and will try to participate when I can. Good luck. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 10:26, 6 August 2011 (UTC) My thanks, Keithbob, for returning us all to our proper measure of cool logic. I think it is fair to say that I can sometimes come across as a bastard, but it is equally fair to say that I had several good points. When you speak of Wikipedia's collaborative aspects, I have to chuckle to myself when I think of the countless articles I either originated or wrote all alone. Then Years later I see people fighting over the dumbest things, taking articles over as if they were personal possessions. That is why I rarely edit here at all. Again, my thanks for showing us the way back to sanity.[[Special:Contributions/75.21.159.173|75.21.159.173]] ([[User talk:75.21.159.173|talk]]) 03:34, 26 August 2011 (UTC) :You are welcome. Thanks for your comments and participation! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC) ==Autograph as signature in infobox: Request for your participation on my point of view== http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Autograph_as_signature_in_infobox [[User:Hindustanilanguage|Hindustanilanguage]] ([[User talk:Hindustanilanguage|talk]]) 06:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC) :Thank you for your note. I have read the thread and don't have anything to say other than to repeat what I've already said and so I'm just going pass and leave the discussion as it is.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 20:52, 8 August 2011 (UTC) ==GOCE drive newsletter== {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Newsletters/September 2011}} <small>Sent on behalf of the [[WP:GOCE|Guild of Copy Editors]] using [[Project:AWB|AWB]] on 16:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)</small> == [[Bob Ross]]: either laughing or rolling over in his grave == Hey KB, would you once again pop over and assist? Someone has put a personal/private research comment into the article - that is just plain wrong. It's a double standard. And I have added a remark which I am too dumb to tag with its reference. See the talk page. Sorry about this. I just want to add, ref: your most recent comment there, I don't see this as wanting anything except that the article conform and that it be a good one. At least that is what I want. I see other editors get away with a lot more ....[[Special:Contributions/75.21.159.173|75.21.159.173]] ([[User talk:75.21.159.173|talk]]) 03:49, 26 August 2011 (UTC) {{done}}--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:32, 8 September 2011 (UTC) == WAH! == My God Man! how can you have the cheek to act "holier than thou" about my writing and motivations? You have a very high percentage of the edits on this article, that concerns one of your 'niche' interests on WP. When you took over: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bridgewater_Associates&oldid=423260789 Bridgewater Associates tagged as advert] and Now: substantially more POV than when you first started editing it: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgewater_Associates Now with many POV statements]. It has all of the factors that you have suppressed in my editing as you continue your disenginuous assault on my character and continue to '''disallow''' the very same type of RS sourced material and wording on an article that I have been main editor on, that you have inserted into one of your 'favs'. - Just amazing - your continued lack of [[WP:AGF]] as opposed to your rules of civility posted on your [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keithbob Keithbob's civility rules] userpage. This strikes me as oddly very transparently hypocritical and/or highly motivated by some unknown agenda. [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 16:24, 26 August 2011 (UTC) :Dear Agadant, Our only interactions have been in reference to the article [[Web Sheriff]]. A number of editors (including myself) have asserted on that article talk page and various noticeboards that you have been behaving in a disruptive manner, as if you own that article. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Web_Sheriff&diff=442076642&oldid=442052268][http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Web_Sheriff&diff=444506621&oldid=444495943] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_51#Web_Sheriff] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard#Web_Sheriff] Your post above which criticizes me, my user page and my editing history, is a response to my participation in content discussions on the [[Web Sheriff]] talk page. Your post above, smacks of stalking and personal attack and appears to be an attempt at intimidation. Further, you have approached other Editors on their talk page in response to their edits or comments on the [[Web Sheriff]] article in an effort to influence their editing there.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aprock&diff=prev&oldid=442914524] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:VQuakr&diff=prev&oldid=444577451] I suggest to you, as I have before, that you re-consider your actions, as you may be digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 18:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC) ::Keithbob, I looked at your writing 'for guidance' and found it even more POV than the WS article I wrote on. (*POV: as defined by first you and then others on NPOV) I have not edited on your articles or commented on their talk pages. I wrote my personal opinions on your talk page only and that is not stalking. I have been personally attacked in several publicly viewed pages on wiki by you and the other editors. [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 19:34, 30 August 2011 (UTC) :::I do think overall you are a good writer as far as prose, phrasing, wording, etc. goes. I wish you would more often give me the benefit of the doubt as to my intentions and motivations. You are often "off the mark" and that does annoy me. - and I'm sure my saying that it does, 'annoys you' but I don't know any other way to relate than being completely honest. [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 22:18, 30 August 2011 (UTC) :::: I don't agree with all of your comments above but I think our time is better spent working together in a cooperative way on the article and corresponding talk page, and I am committed to doing that with you and any others that want to join in. So why don't we just let this go for now and go back to editing in a collaborative manner. Cheers! --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 12:33, 31 August 2011 (UTC) ::::::Ok. That sounds good to me too! [[User:Agadant|Agadant]] ([[User talk:Agadant|talk]]) 12:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC) :::::::Thanks --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 17:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC) ==RFC/U== I see you're adding a lot of "evidence" that was already reviewed by the ArbCom in the June 2010 TM case, especially related to COI. Is it your intention that we review all of the COI evidence that was already covered in that case? That seems like it would be unproductive, but if that's where you want to go with it I'll start preparing evidence in reply. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 06:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC) :I'm just saying that re-fighting old battles is a waste of time. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 12:44, 31 August 2011 (UTC) ::Keith, your input to the RfC is welcome. I'll also invite you to co-certify it when the time comes to post it. I notice that as opposed to me and Will, you have a clean block log. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 02:11, 1 September 2011 (UTC) :::I accept your invitation to co-certify, please alert me when you post. --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 04:30, 1 September 2011 (UTC) Keithbob, I'm certainly not trying to intimidate you. I am trying to tell you that opening cans of worms is sometimes unhelpful in dispute resolution. Since you seem intent on following your path I'll make you a deal. I'll grant permission to publicly post my private email to you if you will give complete and honest answers to the same three questions that [[user:NuclearWarfare]] has posted on the talk pages of [[user:TimidGuy]] and [[user:Littleolive oil]]:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Littleolive_oil&diff=447801588&oldid=447377378] #Do you now, or have you ever, worked in a paid position for an organization associated with the Transcendental Meditation movement? #Do you now, or have you ever, worked in a volunteer position for an organization associated with the Transcendental Meditation movement? #Do you now, or have you ever, worked as a teacher of the Transcendental Meditation technique? Let's settle this COI issue for good. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 20:47, 1 September 2011 (UTC) * NOTE: A further development of this discussion, including my responses, may be seen in its entirety [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Will_Beback#Your_On-Wiki_and_Off-Wiki_Attempts_to_Intimidate_Me here.] --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:18, 3 September 2011 (UTC) ==Merge discussion for [[ [[Quantum_Group_of_Funds]] ]]== [[Image:Information.svg|25px]] An article that you have been involved in editing, [[ [[Quantum_Group_of_Funds]] ]], has been proposed for a [[Help:Merging and moving pages|merge]] with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going {{ #if: [[Talk:Soros_Fund_Management]] |[[ [[Talk:Soros_Fund_Management]] |here]]|to the article and clicking on the (Discuss) link at the top of the article}}, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. [[User:HaroldErica|HaroldErica]] ([[User talk:HaroldErica|talk]]) 16:59, 3 September 2011 (UTC) <!-- Template:mergenote --> :Will do, thanks for the notice.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:25, 4 September 2011 (UTC) == someone keeps adding false material to the [[Kara Young]] article == claiming that her husband is a billionaire but he isn't and no where in any reliable source - forbes, fortune, ny times, etc - does it say that he is. [[Special:Contributions/108.41.20.105|108.41.20.105]] ([[User talk:108.41.20.105|talk]]) 13:31, 4 September 2011 (UTC) :I have commented on the talk page.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC) For some reason the ip user above that started this section seems to want your input with respect to the Kara Young article. I have tried explaining that the RS is acceptable, but instead of debating the merits the user is making tendentious arguments and making unreasonable demands, the latest being provide a link that does not require registration. As we both know this is not required for cites. Perhaps you might be able to assist in the discussion page? Thank you. [[User:Fasttimes68|Fasttimes68]] ([[User talk:Fasttimes68|talk]]) 05:01, 5 September 2011 (UTC) :Sure, I'll add my two cents.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 15:25, 5 September 2011 (UTC) ==Web Sheriff == I've removed your comment from my talk page because I think it only escalates the problems. Yes, I can see what's going on. My advice to him is to take a break from the article. I don't think that going into details is at all helpful given past discussions like those you point out. --[[User:Ronz|Ronz]] ([[User talk:Ronz|talk]]) 03:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC) :Thanks for the comment. I respect your judgment on the issue.--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 14:08, 6 September 2011 (UTC) == A cup of tea for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg|120px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Because tea is soothing. Sorry to see your frustration at WS; frequent breaks are a necessity when working in stressful environments. Kind regards! [[User:VQuakr|VQuakr]] ([[User talk:VQuakr|talk]]) 03:52, 7 September 2011 (UTC) |} :Thank you :-) --<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:24, 7 September 2011 (UTC) == Gilgamesh in the Outback == Here is the source you requested: Thomsen, Brian (2006). Novel Ideas - Fantasy. DAW. pp. 205-206. ISBN 9780756403096. Thank you. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.218.161.68|98.218.161.68]] ([[User talk:98.218.161.68|talk]]) 21:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> ==LaRouche== Keithbob, I see you've developed an interest in Lyndon LaRouche-related topics. I presume that it's simply because of my involvement in those topics. Am I correct that you do not see a problem with following editors with whom you're in a dispute to other, unrelated disputes? &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 22:41, 10 September 2011 (UTC) :Will, please AGF. I think in the recent past it was recommended, after you asserted that two out of three editors did not constitute a consensus, that more eyes were needed on the LaRouche topic. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 07:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC) ::Cla68, if I wanted your opinion I'd come to your talk page to ask for it. I came here to ask Keithbob a question. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 07:51, 11 September 2011 (UTC) :::Will, your tone indicates you came here for more than to ask a question, especially given your posts to Kbob recently [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Will_Beback#Your_On-Wiki_and_Off-Wiki_Attempts_to_Intimidate_Me]. Cla68 is doing us all a favour by asking that [[WP:AGF]] be adhered to. Its standard to comment on user pages, I know ''you'' do it all the time so your comment to CLA68 is inappropriate. And as an aside, if you are really asking a legitimate question and want an answer I'd suggest a more approachable tone might get you better results.([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 14:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)) ::::Littleolive oil, if I wanted your opinion I'd come to your talk page to ask for it. I came here to ask Keithbob a question. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 00:36, 12 September 2011 (UTC) ::::::Keithbob, I'm sorry for the reception you're getting at the LaRouche article. Additional participation at the topic should always be welcome. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 01:44, 12 September 2011 (UTC) :::::::Will, how silly. You don't own talk pages. Whether you want my opinion or not is immaterial to me, and if I find behaviour that is objectionable I may very well comment. ([[User:Littleolive oil|olive]] ([[User talk:Littleolive oil|talk]]) 03:18, 12 September 2011 (UTC)) Keithbob, thanks for your response. then I take it that you do not see any problem with having more editors on any topic, regardless of who began editing that topic first. In other words, following an editor to an article is acceptable behavior. &nbsp; <b>[[User:Will Beback|<font color="#595454">Will Beback</font>]]&nbsp; [[User talk:Will Beback|<font color="#C0C0C0">talk</font>]]&nbsp; </b> 02:49, 12 September 2011 (UTC) :My participation in this conversation can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Will_Beback#LaRouche_2 here]--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:17, 19 September 2011 (UTC) == [[Risk parity]] on hold == I've reviewed the Risk parity article that you nominated and have put it on '''hold''' until the minor issues have been addressed-[[User:SCB &#39;92|SCB &#39;92]] ([[User talk:SCB &#39;92|talk]]) 13:30, 15 September 2011 (UTC) One more thing: is it Risk parity or Risk Parity? the title of the article uses a small "p", but the actual writing in the article uses a capital "P"? if it's a capital "P", then the page should be moved to "Risk Parity"-[[User:SCB &#39;92|SCB &#39;92]] ([[User talk:SCB &#39;92|talk]]) 16:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC) It's a pass-[[User:SCB &#39;92|SCB &#39;92]] ([[User talk:SCB &#39;92|talk]]) 16:54, 15 September 2011 (UTC) Thanks!--<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS,sans -serif"> — [[User:Keithbob|<b style= "color:#090;"><i>Keithbob</i></b>]] • [[User_ talk:Keithbob|<span style="color:#075;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 16:19, 19 September 2011 (UTC) == A beer for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Export hell seidel steiner.png|70px]] |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Yes, it was a great (logical, needed) change; I'm glad you were there w/ experience in this type thing to do correctly, etc. (I didn't have confidence yet for so major a change.) With lots of eyes on the [[Donald Trump|Trump]] article, and no one protesting, it seems logic/reasonability is universal? Yet few will act!? Appreciatively, ~~~~ |}'