Talk:Nikola Jokić

Another notable performance

Should stats from yesterday's game against Charlotte be noted in Records? He became the first player since Wilt Chamberlain in 1968 to record 40+pts, 25+reb, and 10+ast in a game. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.67.13.101 (talk) 15:53, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Week-by-week catalogue of accomplishments is too much

Many of the details in this article ought to be removed. For example, the narrative "In week 12, he scored a then-season-high 26 points. In week 15, he scored a then-season-high 31 points. In week 17, he scored a then-season-high 35 points" has no place here. There is no need for this article to have a running account of Jokić’s many increasing season-high point totals, from any one season. His one single season-high point total for a particular season might be relevant, in the context of this article (although that is questionable). And thus also for many of the other details now found in the article, such as "barely missed triple-doubles." Twenty-nine points, eleven rebounds, and eight assists in one game is not an encyclopedia-worthy performance. —catsmoke ^talk 15:18, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree. The relevant policy is WP:NOTDIARY:

Not every facet of a celebrity's life, personal details, matches played, or goals scored warrants inclusion in the biography of that person, only those for which they have notability or for which our readers are reasonably likely to have an interest.

—Bagumba (talk) 16:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

More than a year later, excess detail is still a major issue in this article. Statistical minutiae are the main culprit. For example, a search indicates that the phrase "triple-double" is used a mind-numbing 172 times. I plan on doing some streamlining. MonMothma (talk) 08:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

I just read this article for the first time and I could not agree more. I would say there were multiple times as many random statistics as are really useful. WikiAlto (talk) 05:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Bold font for nickname.

I would like help implementing the same bold font used for multiple other NBA players nicknames in their articles. I understand that this is a redirect, but I would like an explanation why we cannot redirect this articles nickname, however other articles are doing so. Please provide a clear answer why the same rule is being applied differently. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 00:34, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The same rule isn't being applied differently. The Joker isn't a redirect to this article, so it shouldn't be bolded. We don't use boldface for emphasis. – ².O.^Boxing 00:49, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Then I would like help creating a redirect from 'the Joker' to this article, the same way 'Jimmy Buckets' redirects to Jimmy Butlers article. And have the same format.Spirit Fox99 (talk) 00:59, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Why isn't 'the Joker' a redirect, and how do I go about making it so? Spirit Fox99 (talk) 01:02, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

@Spirit Fox99: discussions take place on talk pages, not in edit summaries. – ².O.^Boxing 00:58, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Than please answer my questions asking why there is no redirect? how do we implement it? Spirit Fox99 (talk) 01:05, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why there isn't a redirect. But I know there isn't one. So BOLDALTNAMES still applies. – ².O.^Boxing 01:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

The Joker might explain why there is no redirect here from The Joker. – ².O.^Boxing 01:20, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Poor reason, look at the subsection under the redirect categories for people with The Joker as significant alternative names. Nikola Jokić is listed. Only validates my point. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 01:27, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

I'll say again, discussions take place on talk pages, not in edit summaries. – ².O.^Boxing 01:24, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

That's the issue. It does satisfy MOS:BOLDALTNAMES. In the same way other NBA articles have nicknames that satisfy it. You still cannot explain the difference. And by not being able to explain, I can see you don't understand the application of the rule yourself. I would like a third party member to review your understanding and application of the rule in this instance Spirit Fox99 (talk) 01:46, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Only the first occurrence of the title and significant alternative names (which should usually also redirect to the article)[L] are placed in bold. It's not telling you what must be placed in bold, it's telling you what can be placed in bold. The [L] note goes on to clarify, "Usually" here can account for cases like "Foo, also known as Bar, Baz, or Quux", where the "Baz" item is actually not a redirect from "Baz", but maybe "Baz (chemistry)", and so it wouldn't fit an absolute redirect requirement, but would be visually confusing if de-boldfaced between the other two. "Usually" isn't blanket license to boldface things for emphasis. If it's not a redirect and being unbolded is not visually confusing (as it isn't in this case), it should not be bolded. – ².O.^Boxing 02:00, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Can it be "the Joker", with only Joker in bold as shown in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker_(nickname) under the sports subsection in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joker? Spirit Fox99 (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Probsbly not, as Joker doesn't redirect here either. From my interpretation this still wouldn't satisfy BOLDALTNAMES, but I've asked at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section if The Joker (basketball player) would suffice. I think it needs to be an absolute redirect though (no disambiguator), like Jimmy Buckets. – ².O.^Boxing 02:16, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. That is outside my scope of abilities on Wiki and I do not expect you to to show me how to proceed with that process. If you have time to help out then it would be much appreciated. Thank you for taking the time to explain Spirit Fox99 (talk) 02:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

By the looks of it my suggestion seems acceptable. If you want to have a go yourself then Wikipedia:Redirect will give you the guidance you need. I'd recommend waiting for a reply at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section#Bolding alternative names, just to be safe. – ².O.^Boxing 02:50, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for guiding me in the right direction. I will read the article and monitor the talk page you mentioned for updates before I give it a go. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 03:11, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Ignore all thst bollocks above. MOS:NICKBOLD, apparently. So bold away ².O.^Boxing 07:32, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Spelling error

Wilkes Barre is mentioned. Please check spelling. 72.28.43.24 (talk) 03:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

Religion

Known Orthodox Christian. Celebrates Christmas on a different date. Should be added. https://basketnews.com/news-182918-nikola-jokic-corrects-a-reporter-after-a-win-its-not-my-christmas.html https://www.cpr.org/2018/03/22/nikola-jokic-is-a-baller-for-the-nuggets-to-denver-serbians-hes-even-bigger/ 46.69.128.24 (talk) 12:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2023

Hello. Just a minor change, mainly because of my OCD and being a fan of Joker lol. Can you guys put the Best NBA Player ESPY Award on top of the 3x Serbian player of the year? I think it makes more sense to have it in the NBA group then list the other international accomplishments. Again, just an OCD thing of mine. Thank you! 2603:300A:1618:EC00:5500:2C93:70A3:DB17 (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

 Erledigt. I moved it above NBA All-Rookie First Team (2016) because I feel your pain. Xan747 (talk) 01:07, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2023

Could we maybe place the Western Conference Finals MVP below the Finals accolades so the MVP's all kinda stack together? 2603:300A:1618:EC00:D147:595A:F9F6:AF86 (talk) 13:38, 26 July 2023 (UTC)

 Erledigt  Spintendo  09:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not more major than a league MVP. Consider discussing at WT:NBA to establish consensus.—Bagumba (talk) 00:59, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Jokić vs Jović

These two family names cannot be disputed. Don't see reason for remark at the top of this article. 2A02:AB88:C84:EE81:B018:22A8:6C45:3815 (talk) 15:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hatnotes don't refer to a "dispute". Someone added it presumably believing some readers might mistakenly enter "Jokić" when they really were looking for Jović.—Bagumba (talk) 20:21, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Then, if looking for some other family name, like Jonic or Jocic, we could type Jokic - by mistake. Shall we mention these two names in the Hatnotes? 2A02:AB88:C84:EE81:A1AA:FF8D:11D9:34ED (talk) 06:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Nikola Jonic and Nikola Jocic are non-existing acticles. Why would they need to be mentioned? —Bagumba (talk) 15:26, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

2023 Espy Award

Nikola Jokić, who ESPN gave the Best NBA Player ESPY Award is missing from his Awards in Wikipedia 2601:282:8300:7BE0:924E:1E75:E669:358B (talk) 22:20, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Draft steal

His status as a "draft steal" should be omitted since that can already be inferred by him being cited as one of the greatest NBA players of all time. This section is already overcited, so removing a dubious at best and unreliable at worst source shouldn't have been reverted. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 14:04, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

It is sourced information which the editors who have been monitoring this page regularly, including me, feel is pertinent sourced information which belongs in the lead. Do not remove again because you have an OPINION, or you will be reported for edit warring. Spirit Fox99 (talk) 17:54, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

"There is no need to reformat something which makes perfect sense and has been in place since its addition without issue."

"Perfect sense" is subjective and no other real reason than WP:ILIKEIT is not grounds to revert. This section is WP:OVERCITED and could be better written, not to mention the citations should ideally be moved out of the lead per WP:CITELEAD anyway. The position shouldn't matter if they are being cited as among the best player regardless of it, but I don't normally edit NBA articles so I could be going against consensus there unknowingly. Should we invite WT:NBA for more opinions on this? ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 19:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Conference Finals MVP

Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association § Conference finals mvp

 - —Bagumba (talk) 14:47, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Why can’t we just include conference finals MVP’s for Jokic, Curry, Tatum and Butler and players moving forward? I get it’s new but so it’s clutch player of the year and that’s on the wiki resumes. I feel conference finals MVPs is a significant award, especially being named after Magic and Bird, and more than likely the greats will win (like finals mvp) so it’s a relevant award I feel. 73.176.156.52 (talk) 06:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

2023 ESPY AWARD

Best NBA Player: Nikola Jokic, Denver Nuggets 2001263user (talk) 04:20, 12 July 2024 (UTC)