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Here Zhao Mengfu depicts the changing seasons with profound vibrancy and delicacy. The artist brought the work to his friend Zhou Mi—who had been exiled for refusing to work in the Mongol-controlled court—in hopes of comforting him with a reminder of the home to which he will never return. Autumn Colors on the Qiao and Hua Mountains, Zhao Mengfu, 1295

Copland[edit]

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Thank you for support for Copland, and please keep watching. I think the key to the revert may be found on Vivaldi. I passed a note on Classical music, to little result. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like to see Appalachian Spring on the Main page today (not by me as you will know, just interested and reviewed), and I also made it my story. - How do you like the statue (look up places) - I was undecided so show three versions ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an incredible statue! Wow! Much better than other attempts at composer portraiture... Aza24 (talk) 07:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! - Today I see Marian Anderson as my top story (by NBC, 1939), and below three people with raised arms, - and the place is the cherry blossom in Frauenstein --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anderson is awesome. You'd be surprised by how many singer friends of mine consider her one of their idols. Aza24 (talk) 22:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Last year when the same story came up it was Easter Sunday, as in 1939, so I had no time, but today I listened to the full concert, so moving - incredibly different voices for the last two spirituals, and such an intimate ending for that crowd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
plum tree blossom for Kalevi Kiviniemi in the snow - see my talk --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My story today is about a piece composed for the Second Sunday after Easter 300 years ago, and I just returned from a (long) opera about the same age, with soprano Pretty Yende --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
relief: the last of six RD articles in one week is now on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Precious
Four years!
I am happy that Kathleen Ferrier made it to the Main page, in the fourth attempt. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
today a sad task - memory of Andrew Davis - turned into entertainment (yt at the bottom of his article, actually both) -- the latest pictures capture extreme weather --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Andrew Davis (conductor)[edit]

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Coding question[edit]

Hi, Aza! I am trying to get the sfnm template to work with individual harvid cites, but can't seem to figure it out. Any thoughts? ~ Silence of Järvenpää 20:37, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Silence of Järvenpää, could you give an example? For sfnm you have to be rather careful with the numbers: i.e. you have to do {{sfn|1a1=author|1y=year|1p=page|2a1=author|2y=year|2p=page}} – Aza24 (talk) 04:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi!! For example, at Discography of Sibelius symphony cycles#Projected cycles in progress, I am trying to get the four cites for Santtu-Matias Rouvali to combine into one reference. These entries use all harvid. I tried the following code but it didn't work:
  • {{sfnm|1a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)|1y=2019|2a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)|2y=2020|3a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)|3y=2022|4a=S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)|4y=2023}}
I also tried these two, but they, too, didn't work:
  • {{sfnm|1a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)}}|1y=2019|2a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)}}|2y=2020|3a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)}}|3y=2022|4a={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)}}|4y=2023}}
  • {{sfnm|1ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440)|2019}}|2ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 574)|2020}}|3ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 645)|2022}}|4ref={{harvid|S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 1008)|2023}}}}
Any ideas? Thanks! ~ Silence of Järvenpää 19:15, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Silence of Järvenpää, I think all you need is a second number for the authors. So have 1a1 for S. Rouvali–Alpha (ALPHA 440); followed by 2a1, 3a1 and 4a1 (I do this in my example above). The 1 would be changed if there were multiple authors (i.e. {{sfnm|1a1=Smith|1a2=Fellowes|1y=...}} Let me know if this works!
Also, the AV media template has an OCLC parameter, so you don't have to separate it from the citation. Aza24 (talk) 06:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Aza! It worked ... ugh, can't believe I missed those 1s. Also, I owe you an email soon! Hope you've been well. ~ Silence of Järvenpää 19:05, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emirates Cup promotion[edit]

Hi Aza, I just wanted to ask if there was a problem with the promotion of the Emirates Cup topic? The discussion is closed but it hasn't been archived, nor has the delisted topic been updated. Thanks in advance :) Idiosincrático (talk) 09:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Idiosincrático, good catch, sorry about that. Since this is the promotion of old topic, the bot can't do it. I'll plan to do it manually tomorrow (please bother me if I forgot!) Aza24 (talk) 06:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Idiosincrático, this should all be sorted now! Thanks for your patience – Aza24 (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

May music[edit]

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On the bicentenary of Beethoven's Ninth Symphony, I remember our recent uplifting choral concert in pictures, on my user page and in my concerts (leading to the two at the church's article). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today is the Feast of the Ascension for which Bach composed his oratorio, - perhaps watch a bit how the closing movement was performed in Bach's church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Magdalena Hinterdobler is on the Main page today, together with an opera that reviewers deemed not interesting and too obscure for our general readers. The soprano thought differently, - listen and see. - Also on the Main page: a TFA by sadly missed Vami_IV. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

did you listen and see? - today's story has a pic of a woman holding her cat, a DYK of 5 years ago - the recent pics show 2 orange tip butterflies --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Schumann[edit]

Greetings, Aza24! I hope I'm not being a nuisance in wondering if you think you'll be able to add any more to your valuable contribution to the Robert Schumann peer review page? Happy to wait, if so. If not I'll close the review and head off to FAC. Best wishes, Tim riley talk 17:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there @Tim riley—thank you for the heads up! I'll plan to look either tomorrow or the day after. Best – Aza24 (talk) 02:25, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Splendid! I look forward to it. Tim riley talk 07:22, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tim riley, I believe you forgot to include Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Robert Schumann/archive1 on the FAC page. Aza24 (talk) 18:18, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aargh! Have I messed up the procedures yet again? Would it be too much to ask you to do the necessary for me? Sorry about this. Tim riley talk 18:39, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to oblige! I've now done so, see [1]. – Aza24 (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm most grateful - thank you so much! Tim riley talk 06:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

June music[edit]

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Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. - Do you think we should disconnect the list of a composer's works from his article? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comp lists make sense in Infoboxes, but I don't see such discussions really worth the effort. When it was discussed ad nauseam on Vivaldi, the Vivaldi article itself was left unchanged and in a rather regrettable state. Aza24 (talk) 19:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For Schumann, it was stable for years, and not only was the removal not discussed, but also performed in an unclear action that I missed. But I am described as disruptive, in the same breath as proudly announcing that the infobox was "retained". I call that kafkaesque. (Talk:Gustav Mahler). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Surely much of Wikipedia is kafkaesque, but I suppose that's part of the fun :) Aza24 (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am for fun, but removing the link to a composer's works has not the slightest fun component for me. The works would be within the same article for less prolific people, and should remain as accessible as possible when split off. Perhaps I have a limited sort of humour but "rotten trick" (as in the Schumann FAC) is also not within my fun range. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I hope you can understand my hesitation to get in the weeds for such disputes. But at least the Schumann article is much approved! Aza24 (talk) 22:34, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everybody hesitates to get in the weeds, and I remain as a person playing rotten tricks, allegedly. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great to have Stravinsky as FA now! With the "rotten trick" ;) - Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:58, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You made my day by restoring the works to Copland that I had added 2 April. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:55, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Uncited information is uncited information ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Aza24 (talk) 20:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck with making that understood ;) - The image in my DYK story is what I happened to see from my seat in a performance before the festival (with Anna Netrebko in the title role but sold out of course, and the other was possibly the icier Principessa anyway). I recommend the trailer video, with various scenes to the end of the music that Puccini was able to finish before he died in 1924. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Graciousness[edit]

Your rethinking of your earlier comments at VPP regarding the OKA issue (paid translations) was gracious and is a good example of one of the attributes of a good editor, namely the ability to reevaluate evidence and change one's mind, as you did. (This has nothing to do with what "side" you ended up on.) If you found any part of my reply directed towards you off-putting, I apologize. Keep doing what you're doing; I value your opinions now more than before. Mathglot (talk) 21:16, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mathglot, thanks for this. I found myself talking with a tone/approach that I despise in others. Cheesy as it is, considering The Analects is quite literally beside my desk, I was a bit disappointed in myself. In any case, my best to you as well. Aza24 (talk) 22:14, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Co ordinator[edit]

Hello, I appreciate your email requesting me to become a coordinator for the GTs and I would be definitely willing to accept a nomination! K. Peake 16:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome, thanks so much for your interest @Kyle Peake! Just so you know, it would be for both FTs and GTs, since the projects are closely linked. I'll get the formal nomination rolling in the coming days. Aza24 (talk) 18:28, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for being awesome. We need more editors to follow your example. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:53, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @WhatamIdoing, I appreciate the kind words. Aza24 (talk) 18:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. And thank you. Most editors find it extremely difficult, or even impossible, to say that they've changed their minds. We need to celebrate it when it happens. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's a depressing reality, but I suppose your attitude makes sense :) Aza24 (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Britten book – timing[edit]

Hello. I was interested to see this – thank you, and I will probably have to order it! But, with the greatest respect, I was worried that it is a bit early to put it on the page, when no-one except reviewers can get their hands on it for some months ... looks like October in the US and November in the UK. Would we not do better to wait until the book is available to the public? With all good wishes DBaK (talk) 07:59, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, you're quite right about this concern, which crossed my mind as well. You'd be most welcome to remove and then restore later, but to be honestly I decided that it really didn't matter! Whether readers regularly use further reading sections is certainly up for debate, and I suspect that by the time someone comes around to that article for such information, it will be well past 2024 :)
In any case, it's so encouraging to see one of the most important living philosophers engaged with such profound music. Aside from aesthetics specialists like Stephen Davies, I can't remember the last time we've seen such interest. Perhaps in the enlightenment? I suppose there's also the late Roger Scruton. Aza24 (talk) 18:32, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much for the courteous and interesting reply. You may very well be right, that it doesn't matter! I would not have stumbled across it myself were I not in the middle of a rather obsessive phase about the piece, caused by a combination of a recent and more-or-less accidental visit to Coventry, and the fact that we have Prom tickets! I suggest that we leave it for now and if a second person remarks on the early appearance then maybe consider doing something about it.
It is indeed wonderful that she has written this work and I will greatly look forward to it. Philosophers writing about music isn't something I know anything about, but I was very interested in your comments. At the risk of invoking an unfortunate stereotype, I mostly blow down noisy things and it's probably written off some of the more delicate corners of my brain, if ever it had any. Cheers DBaK (talk) 08:38, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered, of the major requiems, I've sung Brahms and Faure, studied very closely Mozart and Verdi, but never delved into the Britten. Any recording recommendations?
I can't blame you for liking the loud, exciting stuff. Do you know Sibelius' 2nd symphony? Its 3rd and 4th movements have been regular listening to me recently, and their vigor is incredible – Aza24 (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello again! Sorry about the slow reply while I juggled, ineptly.
Recordings ... (to note: you are affording me far too much respect in asking me these interesting questions. My area of knowledge begins and peters out somewhere around the question of a good aftermarket leadpipe for an old Selmer piccolo trumpet) ... I have the Decca original with the intended cast, BB conducting, LSO, the works. It is very splendid. I know not everyone adores Pears but, gosh ... horses' mouths etc. The one I have says it was remastered in 2023 which I imagine must be a good thing. It certainly sounds OK, but I do not have an unremastered edition with which to compare it. I've also been listening to the Chandos recording from 1991 – Hickox, LSO, Harper/Langridge/Shirley-Quirk. This sounds fantastic too and Langridge will be more to some people's tastes. I really ought to look at some more recent recordings but I don't know them at all and I might ask Gerda or my choir trainer where to start. For the moment I am happy with these two, indeed now that my copy of the score has turned up I am more towards blissed-out than merely happy.
I should mention that we also got a DVD of the Derek Jarman film which uses the 63 Decca recording as its sole soundtrack. As I said, getting tickets for the Prom then visiting Coventry has triggered a lot of things for me!
Sibelius: I don't think I know no. 2 though sometimes I surprise myself, so, thanking you for the prompt, I shall have a listen. It will not be a hardship.
Thanks again, DBaK (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well now I have some promising things to listen to!—Thank you for this.
This film adaptation seems most curious, and certainly worth further investigation. And with Olivier no less! Aza24 (talk) 21:19, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The film is definitely worth investigation so yes, I think you should certainly see it if you're interested in the War Requiem and its cultural context and impact. I've lost the reference now but, somewhere, I saw Philip French quoted as saying that it was Jarman's best work. It's tricky ... it is very much a Child of its Time, if you will forgive the borrowing, and looks a bit 1980s (well, duh) and has moments of looking a touch like the sixth-form play ... but this alongside a great cast and some very moving scenes. We rather loved it, mostly, but I need another viewing and perhaps another large glass of wine. There are gory moments that were a bit much for me, in the actual newsreel footage. But I am a well-known wimp.
It's basically images to accompany the piece, not exactly a film of or about the piece. Most informed critics get this but you do occasionally see one that rather misfires. It really does not work well as a war film with some classical music weebling on in the background. It's like regarding Carmen as a documentary about cigarette production.
There's one scene that ought to be brilliant but I found difficult, verging on the hilarious ... I don't want to spoilerizate™ you too much but suffice to say that a duel between a tenor horn and a fixed bayonet is never going to be a very fair fight. (Memo to self: insert funnyclever remark here about the horn needing sharpening ... going sharp ... tuning slide ... ?? oh never mind.) There is another musical, nay tenor horn, issue in the film which drove me wild with rage but with which I shan't bore you ... it is a bit niche to say the least.
On balance, I am very glad I have bought the DVD for all of six quid from HMV (whom I had thought defunct?!) It fits well with my current need to understand all I can about the piece before we go to the prom on 17 August.
I have rabbited on far far too long! Sorry, and all good wishes DBaK (talk) 07:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PS Coventry blew my mind. I knew about it but had never been. I thought I might faint. DBaK (talk) 07:45, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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July music[edit]

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The story is today about the first published composition by Arnold Schönberg which I was blessed to hear. Listen, and perhaps read what Alma Mahler (to-be-Mahler at the time, to be precise, who was present at the first performance) said, and yes that was too much for the Main page ;) - Seeing that Copland was mentioned above in April: perhaps you are a person halfway neutral in infobox things and thus able to begin a discussion on Classical music about how to represent a composer's compositions in an infobox. There may be different ways, but omitting the works completely as for Schumann seems ignoring that they are in many cases key to a biography. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about a Bach cantata premiered 300 years ago OTD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

3 July is the birthday of Leoš Janáček, and I'm happy I had a meaningful DYK in 2021. It's also the birthday of Franz Kafka, and I uploaded pics from his family's album seen in Berlin. Janáček's infobox has a list of his compositions, like Bach's, Mozart's, Beethoven's. Schumann had one for years, until one featured article writer removed it (and I noticed only after it was too late for a BRD revert and discussion). I don't want some formal arbcom clarification but find it not fair towards earlier editors of the improved article. I would go the the FAC but was uninvited and am obedient (sometimes). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Janáček is looking a lot better than I remember, seems like someone cleaned it up a few months ago Aza24 (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Libuše Domanínská, the subject of yesterday's story, would have turned 100 today, but I missed that ;) - Overnight, Tamara Milashkina became GA and Lando Bartolini went to the Main page. I made my story about his almost unbelievable career, from Luigi in Il tabarro in Philadelphia in 1968 (with a nod to Liberty) up to Calaf in Turandot in Beijing in 1999 ;) - 4 July is also the birthday of Brian Boulton who was a pioneer of a concise infobox in 2013, including a list of compositions. - Enjoy your time off. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, I've never heard of Il tabarro, it must be the least know of the trittico – Aza24 (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think Suor Angelica is even less known, because of an all-women cast. - With a Brian Boulton article on the Main page, and Gianni Schicchi in mind (which happened to be the second opera I saw on stage), the article about Il tabarro is a shame. If only days were longer ;) - I improved Liana Isakadze to at least decency, but more about music - instead of these laundry lists - would be desirable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ps: Mozart is related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, a bass and Isakadze. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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