Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Hurley

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The result was keep. Per WP:SNOW. Consensus is that Hurley meets WP:MUSICBIO and WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 10:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Hurley

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This might be my most controversial proposal yet, but from what I see here, I truly believe this page should be redirected to Fall Out Boy because his notability is depending on the band, (like how Matty Healy is to The 1975 currently, for example) not himself like Wentz and Stump have. I tried finding reliable sources for significant coverage but I only found run of the mill things that don’t create notability in my opinion. Trillfendi (talk) 21:37, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wisconsin-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:20, 31 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - It's not quite true that his only notability is within Fall Out Boy. Note that he is described as both "Andy" and "Andrew" in online sources. He has been profiled for his personal life and businesses, as seen in some sources that are already in the article. He has also been profiled in the drummer-centric media, e.g. [1], [2]. However I would recommend trimming the article down to remove material that really is about the band overall. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 15:36, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews don’t contribute to notability because they are not independent of the subject. Trillfendi (talk) 17:32, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The first source above contains independent coverage as well as an interview, the second in't an interview, it's a feature containing elements of an interview. --Michig (talk) 17:52, 1 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I believe the rule about interviews not being independent of the subject applies to self-interviews like those in blogs and personal websites, but not to interviews conducted by journalists for reliable publications. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 18:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. He's probably the least famous member of FOB, but his involvement in The Damned Things wasn't trivial. I'd say with that, and the sources listed above, he meets GNG. Nohomersryan (talk) 10:25, 5 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a clear pass of WP:MUSICBIO#6: "a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles". Fall Out Boy + The Damned Things = two. Note that the other members of The Damned Things are independently notable, so the notability of that band cannot be attributed to Hurley's involvement (the dreaded self-fulfilling notability loop). Bakazaka (talk) 01:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see enough explanation how the subject is non-notable. Somehow passes WP:GNG. Orientls (talk) 04:49, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t see how his unorthodox political beliefs or personal lifestyle choices and stuff like that contribute to notability, especially given most of those sources are from Twitter which is not a reliable source. So if one took all that out, sources about FOB as a whole notwithstanding, I just don’t see any legs for this article to be honest unless someone provides independent reliable sources for his side projects too.Trillfendi (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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