Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti-Zionist proposals for alternative Jewish homelands

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The result was delete. Most contributors think that there isn't much worth merging. Sandstein 08:43, 16 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Anti-Zionist proposals for alternative Jewish homelands

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Hopeless POV fork of Proposals for a Jewish state loaded with WP:NOR and potential BLP violations. Delete Secret ^account 00:59, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - it's unclear on the definition of what constitutes Anti-Zionist (it's obviously a contested tag) so the article is best served at Proposals for a Jewish state which doesn't need original research to decide inclusion criteria. Nick (talk) 01:40, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - serves no purpose other than as a POV essay. As above, there are better articles that cover these issues in more (and more accurate) detail without relying on POV nonsense. Stalwart111 02:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - as a POV-laden content fork. Carrite (talk) 02:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 08:05, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Redirect to Proposals for a Jewish state by removing all duplicate and non-NPOV material and retaining whatever is worthwhile in this clear violation of WP:POVFORK. IZAK (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and Redirect to Proposals for a Jewish state. I agree with IZAK. This article was an open wound since its creation. (Btw, it doesn't mention that one of the "anti-Zionist" proposals was for a time supported by a large faction in the Zionist organization including Theodor Herzl, but we wouldn't expect it to given its POV purpose.) Zero^talk 09:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm all for merging content if there is anything useful there but is it really worth keeping that POV title? Where's the value in that? Is anyone like to search for a title like that? Stalwart111 11:53, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Stalwart111: The title would just become a mere WP:REDIRECT to Proposals for a Jewish state. Strange as it may seem there are definitely some "schools of thought" that refer to the topic in those kinds of ways, and that do not see the use of the words "Anti-Zionist proposals" or "alternative Jewish homelands" as "POV", but on the contrary as being NPOV accurate. The phrase "anti-Zionist/s" is not POV, there are articles on WP based on it, see Anti-Zionism, Timeline of anti-Zionism, and there are many anti-Zionists, both Jewish and non-Jewish, and the broad Category:Anti-Zionism, so this topic is not way out at all. The topic should not be done away with, maybe someone will actually write a decent article about it one day, it could be done. IZAK (talk) 09:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, IZAK, for responding so comprehensively. I suppose I've always seen the phrase as somewhat POV and in combination with the subject matter it seemed disjointed and only for the purposes of suggesting something before even starting the article. Redirects are cheap and if others think it's of some value, I won't stand in the way of that. Your explanation of why some people might search for something like that makes sense. It seems slightly odd to me, but a great many things do. Happy to support a redirect on that basis. Stalwart111 10:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, IZAK (talk) 03:01, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a rather clear POVFORK and I don't see that there is any redeemable content included in this article that is not already covered in the other potential targets. Besides, according to this article, Hamas spokesman Salah al-Bardawil stated that "We pray to Allah that Sharon and all the Zionist leaders who committed massacres against our people to go to hell." Doesn't this mean that Hell should have been included among the proposals for an alternative Jewish homeland? Alansohn (talk) 16:28, 6 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
REdirect, possibly with minimal merger to Proposals for a Jewish state. This is obviously the right solution for a POV fork. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge with Proposals for a Jewish state. The subject is clearly notable and this can't be denied. When an article seems to advance a point, it doesn't mean it should be deleted - instead, a POV tag should be put in place. -Shalom11111 (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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