Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Art Whizin

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The result was no consensus‎. The sourcing table has not been responded to or refuted and hence consensus can't exist here given the relatively low participation. No prejudice to an immediate relist if so desired. Daniel (talk) 01:25, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Art Whizin

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Non-notable local business person. Fails WP:GNG. Mikeblas (talk) 03:29, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Sportspeople, Food and drink, Boxing, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:52, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:BASIC/GNG. In addition to the source in the article [1] there's also [2][3][4][5] and other similar coverage. —siro χ o 05:49, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how those convey notability. #2 mentions Whizin just once. #3 is about a sign that says "Whizin's", not Art Whizin -- the article isn't about a sign. #4 seems like it's about Bruce Whizin, not Art. #5 is about a dispute Art had with the local Renn Faire. Does fighting the faire make him notable? -- Mikeblas (talk) 15:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your reply. I believe such an assessment is not entirely accurate with respect to BASIC/GNG. I've included a table below to provide a deeper illustration. —siro χ o 17:27, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:51, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to an article about the "Chili Bowl" (which doesn't exist yet); there's more than enough discussion of the history and heritage of the restaurant chain. Oaktree b (talk) 14:41, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Redirect The sources mentioned only have the subject in passing; if there could be a Chili bowl page, then let it be redirected there. GuardianH (talk) 16:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I made my rec above, but here's a source assessment table for the sources I linked: —siro χ o 17:29, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Source	Independent?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table: prepared by User:siroxo
Harvey, 2009, LA Times [6]	please keep in mind this article was published more than 10 years after subject's death	example quote The way Art Whizin told the story, he was sitting at the counter of a downtown burger joint called Ptomaine Tommy's, trying to visualize the restaurant he wanted to build. Then a truck-driver friend next to him slid over a chili bowl and said, "Here, Whizin, do something with this." And that's how Whizin, the one-time amateur boxer, decided in 1931 to construct an eatery in the shape of a chili bowl. Why not? Merchants were putting up businesses that resembled ice cream cones, tamales, coffee kettles and sundry other objects -- all trying to catch the eye of passing motorists. The 25-year-old entrepreneur opened his first Chili Bowl on Crenshaw Boulevard near Jefferson Boulevard after raising $1,200 by selling, among other things, his wife's wedding ring and his roadster. The couple moved into a house nearby. "Because he sold his car, he had to have his business within walking distance," explained Jim Heimann, author of "California Crazy & Beyond," a study of offbeat roadside architecture. Whizin told Heimann in a 1978 interview that he sketched the design of the restaurant on the corduroy pants he seemed to always be wearing. Perhaps he didn't want anyone else to get their hands on the plans. Or perhaps "he was embellishing the story," Heimann said with a laugh. "He was an interesting character." The Chili Bowl had no tables, just a 26-stool circular counter, and Whizin bragged that his young workers, most of them college boys, could "flip a pat of butter from the center of the counter to the edge of any of the 26 plates." The place was an immediate success with its specialty dish called the chili size, an open-faced hamburger smothered with the homemade goodness.	✔ Yes
Pascal, 2013, Arcadia Publishing[7]		(p. 79) Art Whizin became known throughout Los Angeles for having established the Chili Bowl restaurant chain in Los Angeles in 1931. After purchasing land in Agoura for development, his decisions often clashed with city planners and environmentalists. Some of the businesses he attracted to the area included the Bear Cabaret (a topless bar), a go-cart raceway, low-income housing, and a mobile home park. Though he received a humanitarian award in 1988 for "40 years of continuous dedication, service and unselfish contributions to the City of Agoura Hills," he often stated that he was the most hated man in Agoura although he did not understand why. Below is a photograph of his restaurant menu. Today, Whizin Market Square is a popular community and tourist destination. ... (p. 105) The first water was delivered to residents in 1963, thanks to the efforts of residents like Art Whizin. When Whizin came to Agoura in 1949, there was no water and no sewers. The Agoura community at large (500 residents at that time) wanted to preserve the rural flavor of the life style in the area. Whizin was one of 11 that bypassed Agoura residents and used their property as collateral to finance bonds to bring water and eventually sewers to Agoura.	✔ Yes
Sherry, 1998, Daily News		~ quotes: On Wednesday, Moran again stood and watched workers attend to the sign, outlawed by an Agoura Hills sign ordinance, passed by a city that didn't even exist when Whizin's was built. Moran said he always wanted to play by the rules, so he promised the city that he would remove the sign a "reasonable amount of time" after the death of Art Whizin, his business partner. He gave the city no more assurance than his word, and that was good enough, Adams said.... Whizin died two years ago, and on Wednesday Moran kept his word.	~ Partial
Barker, 1988, LA Times[8]		~ quotes ...fair sponsors had agreed in a rental agreement with owner Art Whizin to remove the structures by June 30 ... The foundation was formed earlier this year to fight the proposed development, a 160-home gated community planned by Heller and Whizin.	~ Partial
Wilcox, 2006, Daily News [9]	~ There are quotes from family, but also many facts stated in the voice of the paper.	quotes His father had recently bought 320 acres that was part of Paramount Ranch...They ate at a little 12-stool, three-table hamburger stand with a couple of Mobile Oil Co. gasoline pumps out front. Art Whizin bought that, too, and began renovating the property.... By Mother's Day 1954 all that remained was a slab, but customers came anyway, so many that Art Whizin set out some tables and chairs.... It evolved into its present form over the years and the Whizin name became familiar to travelers along Highway 101. ... Between 1930 and 1941, Art Whizin opened 21 Chili Bowl restaurants around Los Angeles, buying each lot for between $300 to $500. In the late 1940s he closed the business and began selling the lots.	~ Partial
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Newspapers.com seems to bring up a good amount of coverage of Whizin, e.g. LA Times feature (p2), Thousand Oaks Star (2 3 4 5) and News-Chronicle. BeanieFan11 (talk) 03:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed,Rosguill ^talk 05:00, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 07:22, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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