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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Subject appears to lack significant coverage in reliable secondary sources therefore fails WP:GNG.

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Bali MMA

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Subject fail WP:NCORP and GNG for all the sources in the article are either no independent or reliable (not indepdent as interivew articles, passing mentioned as the sources main forcal either in the other promotions or fighters and not the subject or the sources are not reliable) except one source by CNN - see here but the source only mentioned about the subject in one sentence.

To meet the notability guidelines the we need significant coverage by independent, reliable source whereby the sources need to talk about the subject in length and inadept and not passing mentioned. Cassiopeia talk 02:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cassiopeia, the CNN link has 2 sentences but the whole news in the video is about Bali MMA. Please verify. Berantral (talk) 19:35, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Comment - the article is an interview piece so it is considered not independent and thus fails the notability guidelines as stated above. Cassiopeia talk 00:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure how you concluded that ONE Championship reference is an interview because there is no mention of interviewer or whom it is interviewing. The Bali MMA is not a person and from the article's title it doesn't look like an interview. If you are referring to the few quotes by the athletes then this is an standard journalism approach when you are reporting on an organization. I also noticed this link has been used for significant coverage in other pages on MMA facilities so can you please tell me why exactly you think this is an interview and cannot be accepted? Thank you. Berantral (talk) 15:49, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Berantral The article from ONE is an interview piece and also the lots of the info are from the founder of the gym (Bali MMA) that make the source not independent and pls do note this is Wikipedia and not not a newspaper and Wikipedia has its own way of defining notability. Significant coverage means we need "many (5-7) independent, reliable sources ((IRS) " where by the sources talk about the subject (Bali MMA itself) inadept and in length. Bali MMA is considered an company in Wikipedia and WP:NCORP notability is particularly strict. Since the gym is in Bali and you know Bahasa Malaysia/Indonesia, and if you can find at least 5 (IRS) such as from major newspapers then pls add the sources in (inline citations) as sources can be in any languages as long as they are IRS and talk about the subject directly (not the owners of the gym but the gym itself) in depth and in length and not only merely passing mentioned . Cassiopeia talk 21:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, will look for local newspaper mentions which are significant and in-depth but are you sure about the numbers? I never came across any Wikipedia policy where 5 to 7 IRS are needed? Berantral (talk) 13:09, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Berantral There is no exact number for sourcing but Wikipedia indicate "significant coverage" which means it is not 1 or 2 or a few (3). 5-7 would be suffice as "significant coverage". Cassiopeia talk 22:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 11:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete I'm not seeing the significant independent coverage required by WP:GNG or WP:NORG. Most of the references are passing mentions in articles about fighters who happen to train there, but notability is not inherited. The article discussed above is mainly an interview with the owner and was generated by the organization where its fighters compete. To me, that fails the independence test twice over. As for how many sources are required, I tend to agree with WP:THREE, which is only an essay but makes good sense to me. Papaursa (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not a lot of significant coverage. Mathieu Vouillamoz (talk) 12:32, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The page in its current state with its current references doesn't meet the independent coverage requirement. I'm ok to changing my vote but there needs to be improvements made first. -Imcdc (talk) 16:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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