Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bavaria non alcoholic beer

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. What is certain here is that no delete buttons are going to be pushed. Whether or not it should be merged into the brewery's article is an editorial decision that can be discussed on the article's talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 02:58, 30 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bavaria non alcoholic beer

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Non WP:notable beer. Only sources a one line reference in a guardian article and a user review site. Disputed prod. noq (talk) 12:37, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as creator. Anecdotaly, I can assure the reader that this is one of the most popular non alcoholic beers in the UK, possibly the most popular (I have been trying to find a source one way or the other on that but can't). Article not even finished anyway, I've been adding more things to it since the half hour or so after it's creation when it was prod'd then AfD'd... Egg Centri c 12:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep AfDing an article 28 minutes after creation is against WP policy: "If the article was recently created, please consider allowing the contributors more time to develop the article." (Wikipedia:BEFORE). Wikipedia isn't a race to delete things as fast as possible, and a brief Google shows lots of possible hits. Aside for various reviews on beer/liquor sites, it seems to be quite notorious for its advertising.[1][2][3][4] --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the brewery's article. That the beer has references doesn't mean it deserves a standalone article. I'm not even sure that the name is right, considering the MoS as well as the sources I find (see this--Bavaria's own website must be the worst in the world, but the bottles are labeled "0/0%" followed by some other options). Drmies (talk) 15:57, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

*Merge per Drmies. Most beer brands don't rise to notability levels that justify their own pages. Even big-name brands redirect to brewery pages or lists of brands, such as Bud Light, Dos Equis, and Beck's. --BDD (talk) 18:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like an WP:OTHERSTUFF argument to me. I agree that many beers are missing a page, but that's a weakness in wikipedia - we need a lot more beer articles imo. I assume the fans are too drunk

Egg Centri c 18:04, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't disagree. I see Guinness as the gold standard here, but upon further exploration, there are much less developed articles such as Red Stripe whose deletion I wouldn't endorse. I tried a quick search, but I couldn't find any stats on NA beers in the UK. How's that search for a source coming? If you can find a good one that confirms Bavaria as the best selling in the UK, I'd be willing to strike my vote. --BDD (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't found anything (not that I've been searching night and day for it either...) - one of the difficulties is the different classes of no alcohol beer. This stuff really is negligible alcohol, but anything up to 0.5% alcohol counts as no alcohol by some definitions; indeed apparently there's more booze in some kinds of cola than there is in this - if that is true with coke then it's the biggest selling beer! (Or more realistically, awe may have some shandy as a best seller). What I would say - as an experiment, assuming you're UK based (edit: which you're probably not, looking at your user page), go and look at the beer aisle(s) next time you're at a supermarket, I reckon it's a tie up between this and the zero alcohol becks. Although there's also the slight thingy that I moved to the Isle of Man a few months ago, and it's rather backward here

Egg Centri c 22:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep looks like it has actually gotten a decent amount of coverage, particularly when considering their ad campaigns. It's even broken into the African market [5]. A merge would be an ok solution, but it's not my first choice. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I'm changing my mind on this one. We do need better coverage of beers. Did you know that Miller Lite and Coors Light have their own articles, while Bud Light doesn't despite being the US's top selling beer? --BDD (talk) 15:57, 25 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.