Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chuchuna (2nd nomination)

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The result was merge to Yeti. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chuchuna

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Apparently "Chuchuna" is the Russian version of the Yeti, which supposedly lives in Siberia. There are plenty of WP:FRINGE cryptozoology sources, but no coverage outside of this bubble. There is a lack of any serious in-depth coverage in WP:FRIND sources to justify (or even create) an NPOV standalone article, but it may deserve a mention at Yeti. LuckyLouie (talk) 20:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. A quick look did not reveal any non-fringe sources. :bloodofox: (talk) 23:45, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is interesting, suggesting that "chuchuna" means "outcast", simply being people who have been cast out. Still, nowhere near enough to justify an article. Ah, and here's the newspaper article it was talking about. --tronvillain (talk) 03:26, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the topic is primarily ethnographic and can be well-sourced, it might be better situated as a paragraph at Indigenous_peoples_of_Siberia...or better yet Chukchi people, with appropriate mention of the associated legend. - LuckyLouie (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It turns out that the book being referenced was deleted from the article by Bloodofox here.^[1] Probably an accident, though you might think that with a title like "Mysterious Chuchuna" it would be some credulous cryptozoology, but looking through the text, it seems to mostly be an an ethnographic collection of folklore and anecdotes, which concludes (Google translated) "The ethnographic search for the origins of the legend is over. Information about the existence of a wild man in the north of Yakutia was not confirmed. Under the cover of folk fantasy, there was a story about real events, customs and tragic delusions caused by a misconception about the surrounding nature. The investigation was not conducted in vain: yet another, perhaps small, page of the ancient history of the peoples of the Far North was revealed." --tronvillain (talk) 13:10, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yep—good catch! :bloodofox: (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Yeti for now as suggested in the nomination. In the See also section there, subsection "Similar alleged creatures," revise the entry to be an interlanguage link to the lengthier Russian article to read as "Chuchuna (ru)" ([[:ru:Chuchuna|ru]]). There are five foreign language versions of the article. The Spanish one has this ref with a mainstream English publisher: Newton, Michael (2005). Chuchunaa. Encyclopedia of Cryptozoology: A Global Guide. McFarland & Company, Inc. p. 102. ISBN 0-7864-2036-7. This Engish language version was started without references, which is never a good idea for a controversial subject. Come back later for another try with a more complete article and references. 5Q5|^✉ 11:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Though that Russian link doesn't seem to work like that? Presumably it needs something like "Chuchuna(ru)". --tronvillain (talk) 12:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a suggested revised code for the Yetti See also list (copy and paste): * Chuchunya ([[:ru:Чучуна|ru]]) – Russia which creates:

Chuchunya (ru) – Russia

cont'd... I think Chuchuna is an incorrect spelling, little in Google, plenty for Chuchunya or Chuchunaa. The template coding ([[:ru:Chuchuna|ru]]) would have worked only if the foreign language article also spelled it that way, per WP:ILL 5Q5|^✉ 12:04, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Gurvich, I.S. (1975). Гурвич И.С. Таинственный чучуна (история одного этнографического поиска) [Mysterious Chuchun (the story of an ethnographic search)]. Moscow: Thought.

Merge with Yeti. I think its best to merge. Expertwikiguy (talk) 21:54, 27 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:38, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Almas (folklore) is another yeti-like creature up for AfD. Commenters here may be interested in that discussion as well. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 17:00, 31 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Yeti. That's not what we usually do, but appears to be a good outcome. Bearian (talk) 19:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[1] Gurvich, I.S. (1975). Гурвич И.С. Таинственный чучуна (история одного этнографического поиска) [Mysterious Chuchun (the story of an ethnographic search)]. Moscow: Thought.

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