Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dmitry Erokhin

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DannyS712 (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitry Erokhin

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Reason Porridge (talk) 07:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This article appears to be a self-promotion of a hobby runner and "wikimedia personality". The athletic achievements are nowhere near notable (for reference, his listed personal best would not even have qualified for this year's Boston Marathon), and as an athlete, the Erokhin clearly does not come close to meeting any of the relevant notability criteria.

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Keep, notable as social acivist, health/parkrun promoter that has community and numerous of mentions in media on different subjects. The first human to run along the whole Sakhalin island. Many other achievements that prove notability. The deletionist nominator said that he "came across this article because it is linked on the person's strava profile ... and has been described as a troll". If you came across, just go across. If you want to improve Wikipedia, edit it, not delete articles. --ssr (talk) 10:17, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I referred to the runner's strava profile to point out that he appears to use this Wikipedia article for self-promotion there. I understand that trolling on one platform may not be a valid reason for deletion here.

Also, if he ran the 1200 km through Sakhalin, why is that not mentioned in the article? The only reference I could find is that he somehow crossed managed to cross it in 20 days, hardly a noteworthy achievement (for comparison, the Appalachian_Trail is about 3 times as long (3500 km), and has been completed in 41 days). Porridge (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No one before run through Sakhalin (with such documentation), this is the achievement. The Sakhalin run was held with support of local government and mass media, this was a wide-promoted public action which has value besides marathon record. And Erokhin has made several such actions, not a single one. Yes you may be correct that the article lacked proper mention of it, with such sources, because some data were inserted too early and were not updated later. This is a good reason to raise concerns on talk page, not to nominate for deletion. --ssr (talk) 11:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The 20-day run through Sakhalin may be a first, but it is not a notable athletic achievement. As pointed out above, it does not compare to contemporary performances over similar or greater distance by real athletes. Running the length of Sakhalin is an arbitrary choice, and if a runner were the first to run, say, from Lisboa to Paris, from Helsinki to Moscow, or from Sicily to the Brenner pass, it would not make them notable either. Coverage by Russia Beyond does not confer notability. For example, Runners World runs multi-page features on other hobby runners every month - it does not make them notable athletes. Porridge (talk) 13:33, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, the achievement is not "athletic". Russia Beyond is an example of rare English source, preferable are numerous Russian sources. You seem to judge only for sports, but the subject is not a regular sports competitor (as I said before and you seem to ignore). --ssr (talk) 13:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Statement related to Strava profile has no relation to the activity of the sportsman and is just personal opinion. As for the marathon runner notability criteria, it is not necessary to take part in Boston Marathon to be ultramarathon runner; the person participated in different Russian marathons. Mark Ekimov (talk) 13:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that the runner has participated in marathons does not make him noteworthy. I only referred to the Boston marathon as a relatively well-known standard for hobby runners, of course, taking part in the Boston marathon does not confer notability either (10s of thousands of runners do that every year). The runner in question is simply nowhere near notable, has never participated in or qualified for an international championship, has never placed at or won a major race (whether a standard distance or an ultra / trail race), or achieved anything else athletically that would be notable according the standards set by Wikipedia. Porridge (talk) 22:50, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The person is notable by WP:BASIC: has articles in RIA Novosti, RT, Rossiyskaya Gazeta, The Moscow News, NTV, Dozhd. — Дмитрий Кошелев (talk) 13:38, 22 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.