Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/EMD SD45T-2R

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The result was merge‎ to EMD SD45T-2. (non-admin closure) NotAGenious (talk) 11:57, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

EMD SD45T-2R

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This appears to be have been WP:REFBOMBed to make it appear more notable than it is. Review of the one source that is publicly accessible reveals that EMD SD45T-2R is not mentioned at all. Online searches for EMD SD45T-2R yield insufficient information to demonstrate notability, and mostly brings up results for EMD SD45T-2. I can not see how this passes WP:GNG. TarnishedPath^talk 07:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Technology and Transportation. TarnishedPath^talk 07:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Keep: It's another example of Rebuilt diesel locomotives besides its completely new y'know. 220.235.238.29 (talk) 07:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC) — 220.235.238.29 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

There's proof here: EMD SD45T-2R: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

• Quote-on-quote @Ozzie10aaaa "Comment: Article has had additional source added since last review (copyvio is clean), and topic is notable,thank you Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)"

220.235.238.29 (talk) 08:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@220.235.238.29, that's not the proof you think it is. Please don't WP:GAME the system. TarnishedPath^talk 09:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I am literally doing my best to try and spare this article and the GE U25BE article from deletion. 220.235.238.29 (talk) 09:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

We need tons of sourcing for locomotive articles, the typical Kalmbach books generally aren't enough. We need extensive coverage from a museum study of the class, or a feature-length article in Trains or Railfan and Railroad... Oaktree b (talk) 16:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• Redirect to EMD SD45T-2 - clear redirect target as AtD. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect as per Alexandermcnabb. Sources are the same across the two articles. Toadette ^{(let's chat together)} 08:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to EMD SD45T-2. Andy Dingley (talk) 13:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge with EMD SD45T-2: Basically a rebuilt locomotive of that class, nothing notable by itself. Oaktree b (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge with EMD SD45T-2. Unless there's been substantial coverage of rebuilt locomotives independent of their original type, rebuilds are best covered within the same article to avoid needless duplication. Consider the EMD GP15-1, where the substantially similar GP15T and GP15AC (the former a GP15-1 with a turbocharger, the latter a GP15-1 with an AR10 alternator) were both merged into the main GP15-1 article to better present all the information in one place. This merits a paragraph at most in EMD SD45T-2, not an entire article. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect per nom. No evidence of individual notability. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. Merge and redirect. I agree that there's some refbombing going on here. I own Wilson's 2017 book, and to the extent that he mentions the SD45T-2R rebuild it's on a roster note for the Cotton Belt (and not the Southern Pacific). No discussion of what the rebuild entailed. The article doesn't mention that either, which I consider a real red flag. Mackensen (talk) 12:52, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  • David Lustig has as two page article in the December 2001 issue of Trains that discusses the SD40T-2 and SD45T-2, and he doesn't mention this rebuild. Mackensen (talk) 13:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
  • I've put in an interlibrary loan request for the Diesel Era article, which may well be the only substantive treatment of the subject. IP, do you have that article and the two books by Shine, or did you just add them because they're listed at the bottom of http://espee.railfan.net/spsd45t-2r.html?
  • I've consulted the Diesel Era article. There's about a page devoted to the rebuild program for the SD45T-2/SD45T-2R. The changes appear to have all been external and/or cosmetic; nothing like replacing the electronics or prime mover. Summarized, it's a paragraph at most. Mackensen (talk) 23:12, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect per above. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:44, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

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