Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fitzroy Baseball Club

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The result was keep. -Scottywong | confess _ 14:09, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fitzroy Baseball Club

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Deprodded with an argument that sources exist, but I couldn't find any on Google News. I don't see how this team can be notable if their league, Baseball Victoria Summer League, was deleted via prod in August. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 03:42, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. For Australian articles, it's always a good idea to have a search of trove nla. This search shows a multitude of sources, many in one of Victoria's biggest newspapers, The Argus. For example, [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16], [17], [18], [19], [20]. There are hundreds more articles along this line. The club has played at the top level of Victorian baseball for 120 years, mainly in the Victorian Baseball League, which should have an article [21]. Many of their players have also represented the Melbourne Aces in the Claxton Shield and have represented the Australian national team. Just because baseball doesn't get a lot of coverage in Australia recently, doesn't mean it wasn't a big deal that had a lot of coverage in the earlier half of the 20th century. Jenks24 (talk) 11:07, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

All of that looks like incidental local coverage to me. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 22:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Melbourne is a similar size to Washington, D.C., but you wouldn't dismiss the Washington Post as a local source for things located in Washington, would you? Also, how why do you consider, for example, this article to be "incidental"? It's a full length article describing how Fitzroy won the championship for the season. Jenks24 (talk) 05:34, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Fitzroy Baseball Club is a 123 year old sporting club [22](12 years older than the New York Yankees) and a founding member of the Victorian Baseball League [23] [24] [25][26](the states first baseball organisation and predesseor to the current state peak body "Baseball Victoria"). As well as featuring in articles appearing in The Argus (one of Melbourne's major newspapers) [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39] several times, the club has featured in articles in The Mercury (Tasmania's leading newspaper)[40], [41] and Perth's Daily News [42]. More recently club articles appeared in The Age (circulation ~650k daily) [43] [44], The Northcote Leader [45], [46], Wyndham Weekly [47] and Moonee Valley Weekly [48]. Whilst I note that the Baseball Victoria Summer League page was deleted in August the "Summer League" brand was only launched in 2010 by Baseball Victoria [49] and few people in Victorian baseball use it themselves let alone mainstream media, hence the lack of citation. Baseball has developed a strong niche in Australian sport and the history of the sport is intertwined with Australian sporting history. Bill Ponsford a Fitzroy Baseball club member juggled playing International Cricket for Australia alongside Baseball for Australia [50] as did Neil Harvey who flew home from playing cricket for Australia in South Africa to play baseball for Fitzroy [51]. This article deserves further work and deeper research, not deletion. I would welcome any contributions or suggestions you might have. FBC Pat (talk) 12:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Jenks24 (talk) 11:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. Jenks24 (talk) 11:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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