Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gorn

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) — Yash^talk stalk 01:43, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Gorn

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Mostly a collection of trivia, this seems to fail Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). Covered much better by MemoryAlpha wikia too. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 23:31, 17 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist ^{(Speak quickly)} _{(Follow my trail)} 02:46, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to List of Star Trek races as it appears to the most appropriate place for a redirect and merge. The article can always be recreated if someone tracks down more notability for it. The comment about MemoryAlpha is not relevant to this discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 04:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have struck my merge vote after reading through the below comments, specifically Jclemens. I am going to hold off on providing another vote. Aoba47 (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Multiple other references in e.g. Starfleet Battles and Starfleet Commander, both of which are derivative works, but financially independent due to licensing arrangements from Paramount's ST:ToS. Note that there are already 3 independent RS'es in the article as of now, and plenty of commentary on Gorn as a fictional element in the 'books' and 'scholar' links listed above. Jclemens (talk) 06:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Notable race in a notable franchise. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:ITSNOTABLE is an argument on the list of bad AfD arguments. Try again. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:22, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - Why don't you reread that comment and note how patronising you sound? I am perfectly entitled to express my opinion without being "told" how to contribute to an AfD. Thank you. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - I am just trying to point out that you seem not to know how to express an opinion in an AfD. If that sounds patronizing, well, learn how to express it properly so people who reply to you in AfD will have no reason to sound so. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 22:11, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
      - And here you are being even more patronising. Well done! Frankly, as an experienced editor, you ought to know better (you'll note that I am just as experienced an editor and have just as much experience on AfDs as you do). Note that everyone else here appears to agree with me and not with you. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:54, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's quite a lot of specific design work related to the production of the Gorn in These Are the Voyages. There is also a fair bit of coverage i.e. [1], [2]. Had it just been the appearance in "Arena" then I'd have said to redirect it to there. However, it's now "Arena", the episodes of Enterprise the Kelvin Timeline video game and Star Trek Online. Add to that the Starfleet Battles etc, and it just adds up. But sure, the current article is mostly a series of bullet points. Miyagawa (talk) 18:24, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - While there do seem to be a number of sources discussing the Gorn, most of them seem to be about the specific episode (and infamous fight scene) from the TOS than the species in general, so I do have a bit of reservation. But, I think the GNG has been met here in the end. Failing a Keep, it should be least be Merged to List of Star Trek races. 64.183.45.226 (talk) 18:42, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "just like the word, it gives me confidence. Gorn. Gorn — it's got a sort of *woody* quality about it. Gorn. Go-o-orn." Err, sorry, that's the wrong show... Anyway, this source informs me that I really must visit Vasquez Rocks sometime, just like everyone else does. That's almost vital, IMO :) Andrew D. (talk) 20:04, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/query: I'm included to !vote "Keep" on this one on the basis of the appearance of the Gorn in The Big Bang Theory. Do the fiction guidelines say anything about how the appearance of a fictional creation in another (unrelated) work of fiction affects notability?!... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:56, 19 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- No, but you tempt me to write an essay on it, because this has come up multiple times. Jclemens (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes, we have a couple of reliable sources on the article already. At the top of the Gnews search above, we have this, a Cnet article about the creature having achieved the status of an "icon." There are other refs out there, too. And yes the character/race has a whole other life now thanks to the top-rated sitcom, Big Bang. I'm generally skeptical when it comes to fictional things but this passes GNG. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:37, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Heavily referenced piece of pop culture which deserves its own article. Artw (talk) 21:32, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - There may be some trivia in the article currently that can be trimmed, but they are covered in lots of RS. Fyddlestix (talk) 14:52, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.