Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Invicta FC 1: Coenen vs. Ruyssen

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus is that the subject is not notable enough for a stand-alone article, and that it should be merged to a more appropriate parent page. However, no such parent page exists in any form, and the suggested targets for the merger are articles that have not yet been created. In order to implement the consensus that the subject does not warrant stand-alone inclusion, the result is therefore to delete the page. However, this decision is without prejudice to userfying the content for inclusion in the future development of an appropriate parent page, nor to restoring the page in future in order for a merger to take place. AGK [•] 11:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invicta FC 1: Coenen vs. Ruyssen

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Contested PROD : This sports event fails WP:NOTNEWSPAPER policy along with WP:EVENT and WP:SPORTSEVENT , there is no attempt in the actual article to demonstrate any lasting significance. Covered by routine Primary News sources only. Mt king ^(edits) 00:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This is absolutely an event with lasting significance, and the ESPN.com source explains its notability and is not routine coverage. This is by far the most organized attempt at an all-female card in the history of WMMA, utilizing a strategic partnership with Strikeforce and putting a number of highly ranked female fighters throughout the card. I do agree the article could use expanding to reflect this. I don't think it's reason enough to delete it, particularly with the MMA:NOT debate still up in the air. Beansy (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

An event that happened a month ago has not had time to show "lasting significance" and the ESPN source is more about the organization than the first event. Papaursa (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Invicta Fighting Championships This article consists primarily of routine sports reporting--including the fight card for the second Invicta event. The only non-routine source appears to be the espn.com article and that deals more with the concept of all female MMA than this individual event. It may be a little early to claim Invicta FC is a notable promotion, but the organization seems to have a better claim to notability than any one of its events. Jakejr (talk) 15:15, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into organizational article I agree with Jakejr's comment. I think even claiming the organization is notable runs afoul of WP:CRYSTALBALL, but I'd be willing to give an article on the organization a chance. The coverage on this specific event is pretty much routine sports coverage (except for the ESPN article--which would make a good start for an article on the organization). Papaursa (talk) 18:55, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to 'List of Invicta FC events', then Keep Whilst I do disagree with the concept, Invicta's first event is notable, and with the clear sign of them putting on regular shows I do not see why this information should be deleted, so if by doing the same thing as the UFC events will save it, then I'm up for it. The 2012 in UFC Events page somehow passes for notability despite the messy page and the exact same sources for the omnibus page as to the individual pages, and I believe this concept would work for Invicta. I also think that creating a page for Invicta Fighting Championships is also needed very soon for any future of this system, for without it the possibility of being nominated for deleted can still happen. Pound4Pound (talk) 08:27, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is worth pointing out as well that the Invicta FC 2 event has been added to the page already, so the change of name should happen, then we can discuss with the page creator about assisting with creating a much-needed Invicta Fighting Championships page. Pound4Pound (talk) 08:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.