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The result was keep. (non-admin closure)Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:18, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

James Thompson (Judo)

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Articles for deletion/James Thompson
Medal record
Mens Judo
Representing  USA
US Olympic Trials
Bronze medal – third place Bronze 1996

Lacks the significant coverage required by WP:GNG and doesn't meet any of the criteria for martial artists at WP:MANOTE. Being invited to the Olympic Trials is not enough to show notability.Mdtemp (talk) 18:20, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]


  • Withdraw nomination My mistake--he does clearly meet WP:MANOTE.
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — kikichugirl speak up! 18:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. — kikichugirl speak up! 18:42, 23 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:38, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets Meets WP:ATHLETE Brewster would compete at the U.S. Olympic judo team trials in 1976, 1980, 1984, 1996, and 2008 (at the age of 55). Brewster was an Olympic Alternate. Brewster would win Gold in the Masters Heavyweight division in Sumo.[1] To even compete at the trial yyou have to have a high level of skill and a many wins. Brewster has many multiple mentions in Black Belt Magazine, and as an entertainer has appeared on David Letterman and Arsenio Hall as well as the film Lionheart with Jean Claude Van Damme.[2]CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
pass MANOTE [1] by either being (1) Subject of an independent article/documentary, (2) Olympic participant or world champion of a significant international organization; - more than a few dozen competitors, (3) Repeated medalist (as an adult black belt, i.e. 1st dan equivalent or higher rank) in another significant event; - (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament, not an internal school champion). The high ranking rationale that you stated for deletion for a number of them applies when ... "Only achievement seems to be that they teach an art (or founded a non-notable art); perhaps also avoid even mentioning them in the article of the art unless they are one of a few high-ranked artists in an art that has thousands of students." Judo has hundred of thousand practitioners.CrazyAces489 (talk) 19:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He competed at the Trials, but I saw nothing that said he was an alternate (i.e., next in line for the Olympics). I don't see significant independent coverage of his judo skills. Are you saying he meets WP:NACTOR or WP:ENTERTAINER? I don't think so. The comment on rank in MANOTE refers to mentioning someone in the article on judo--it says nothing about having his own article. Tell me what medals he won at the national or world championships.Mdtemp (talk) 20:49, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Olympic Alternate in 1984 as per Black belt magazine. [3]
To be honest, a quick google search solves all of your answers. You can find all of them yourself! But here you go!

DATE RESULT JUDO EVENT TYPE CAT.
27/04/1985 1 US National Championships Farmington Hills NC Open

05/02/1984 3 Canada Cup Quebec Canada IT U95
19/11/1983 2 US Open Colorado Springs IT U95
24/04/1983 3 US National Championships Los Angeles NC U95
06/12/1981 1 US Open Greenwich IT U95
01/11/1980 3 US Open San Jose IT U95
12/04/1980 3 Dutch Open Kerkrade IT U95
20/10/1979 2 US Open San Jose IT O95
15/04/1978 3 US National Championships Chicago NC U95
15/03/1975 3 US National Championships Los Angeles NC U93
1984 2 US National Championships Orlando NC U95
1981 3 US National Championships Little Rock NC U95
[4]CrazyAces489 (talk) 21:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Brewster has been the subject of multiple indepedent articles including on Jet Magazine [5] and Black Belt Magazine.CrazyAces489 (talk) 23:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I put in what I thought was enough to start an article. I do not want to violate wiki:Own and want others to contribute. I felt being an Olympic Alternate was enough and winning the US National Championships was enough. I have provided so many sources that were independent that I am shocked so many articles were put up for deletion. CrazyAces489 (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comments Not quite done with this yet. Being an olympic alternate does not show notability by itself but National Champion might. US has never been very strong in Judo but I think a case can be made that this is notable. I would like to see the National Championship results in the article with the correct references. I am also very confused (and this is probably the lack of a reference in the article) - did he really get third place in the 1996 Olympic trials. It actually looks like a confusion with the 1986 Olympic festival.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • reply to comment Being an olympic alternate is notable. you have to still qualify to be an olympic alternate. The USA is actually 12th in total medals from just the Olympics. They aren't a powerhouse but they aren't weak either. [2] IT does state that James Thompson was an alternate on the 1984 Olympic Team. [3], 1985 National Open Weight Judo Champ [4]CrazyAces489 (talk) 04:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Being an alternate is not competing at the highest level. Actually going to the Olympics or World Championship in Judo is another matter.Peter Rehse (talk) 15:16, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
commentBeing a national champion makes him notable as well as having independent articles about him makes him notable. [5]. CrazyAces489 (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep While being an alternate to the Olympic team or invited to the Olympic trials is not an indication of notability, multiple podium finishes at the U.S. national championships seems sufficient to me. This information needs to be added to the article, and should have been there from the start. Papaursa (talk) 17:54, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://www.americansumo.org/
  2. ^ http://www.theropemaster.com/
  3. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=9s8DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=brewster+thompson+olympic+alternate&source=bl&ots=nwq9fVnKxk&sig=Sllz-c79si3vbitNdqRB2T9u1KE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QOTsVIHpI4fEgwTuo4LwCw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=brewster%20thompson%20olympic%20alternate&f=false
  4. ^ http://www.judoinside.com/judoka/view/9504/judo-results
  5. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=ccMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA58&lpg=PA58&dq=james+thompson+judo&source=bl&ots=eGrhvaX6Uf&sig=84nCRvx4m_17leJBez_dm27E0kQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=_OXsVIWINomLNvPfgOgF&ved=0CFgQ6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=james%20thompson%20judo&f=false
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