Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Jackson (boxer born 1986)

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The result was delete. j⚛e decker ^talk 00:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

John Jackson (boxer born 1986)

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Completely unsourced WP:BLP, nudging toward promotion ("Because of his talent, he was encouraged to stay in the sport, even though all the friends he started with quit."), of a person who may not meet our inclusion standards at WP:ATHLETE (we do not extend a presumption of notability, in the absence of reliable sourcing, to competitors in the Junior Olympics.) It's also worth noting that two days ago, somebody claiming in his edit summary to be the subject himself redacted the article down to a non-encyclopedic and still unreferenced bullet-point list — I've reverted that because his version was not compliant with our content and formatting rules, but given the depth of unsourced private personal information about other family members that's present here I think I can understand why he might want it trimmed. So I'd be happy to withdraw this if good sourcing can be added, as always, but we really can't keep this in its current state (and we doubly couldn't keep it in his preferred state.) Delete. Bearcat (talk) 23:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Promotional page that fails to indicate notability. Anishwiki12 (talk) 03:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:05, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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comment, I've removed the unsourced personal info per WP:BLP possibly could be notable but it needs a tidy up for some POV language if kept. --Nate ^t/_c 10:29, 29 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Lacks significant coverage and his boxing career fails WP:NBOX.204.126.132.231 (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep according to BoxRec fought for North American Boxing Association interim title. NABA is an affiliated organization of the World Boxing Association (see [1]) and thus seems to meet 1a of WP:NBOX. That being said, it was an interim title and he lost the fight. Still, unless shown otherwise I think the presumption should carry here. RonSigPi (talk) 22:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe interim titles count since they're used as fillers and are different than fighting for a vacant title. For example, the NABA title you're referring to was won 3 months earlier by a different fighter (Usmanee). Usmanee fought the same night as the interim title fight between Osejo and Jackson so I don't know what was going on. After Osejo won the interim title, two other fighters fought for the title the next time. I have no idea what was going on, but it looks like NABA was trying to give everyone a title shot in that division since they had 3 consecutive "title" fights with 6 different fighters. From what I've observed, most organizations don't consider interim title holders to be their true champions. Papaursa (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Its is not 100% clear if interim titles count or not since they are not expressly addressed, but I would say that they do since the intro says "...fought for a national (or higher) professional (non-youth) title..." It clearly states youth titles don't count, but are silent on interim so I infer that they count. Whether interim titles are true champions are less an issue in my opinion than the media coverage of title fights regardless of vacant or not and thus the likely existence of sources. Again, tough call since the article appears to need much improvement and would pass WP:NBOX by the skin of its teeth, but interim titles are professional titles and this was a regional title so WP:NBOX applies. Thus, unless the presumption can be overcome I think its a weak keep and the article should be designated for improvement. RonSigPi (talk) 21:07, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Interim championships are usually created when a champion can't defend his title (injury, suspension, etc.). Normally the interim champ gets the first shot at the title when the real champion is able to compete again. For example, I know in the past the UFC (and other organizations) have carefully distinguished between interim champions and champions. The interim championship essentially determines the #1 contender--not the champion. Papaursa (talk) 23:47, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is basically an unsourced BLP except for a link to his fight record. As I explained above I don't believe his loss in an interim NABA title bout is sufficient to meet WP:NBOX. Papaursa (talk) 17:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:BLP's require sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources and I agree with Papaursa that interim championship bouts are not enough to show notability.Jakejr (talk) 00:30, 4 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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