Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/KOK Europe GP 2011 in Lublin

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 02:52, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KOK Europe GP 2011 in Lublin

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Previously deleted with a PROD as "Non-notable future event; WP:GNG WP:CRYSTAL", this has been recreated by the original author. Same rationale applies for this AfD - no evidence of notability, unreferenced, cannot find references. Chzz ► 23:44, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - This appears to be a non-notable pay-per-view event and I wonder if the person creating these articles might have a conflict of interest. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 04:06, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -This is notable event within the scope of Wikiproject:Kickboxing. It needs work but its not non-notable event.thxMarty Rockatansky (talk) 08:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Marty Rockatansky. I would just like to point out that decisions made by a wikiproject cannot override the Wikipedia core policy of verifiability or the notability guidelines. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 19:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - this is 1) a notable event as K-1 are (still just about) the biggest kickboxing organziation on the planet and 2) the event hasn't even happened yet - could you not wait till references have been added before nominating something for deletion. jsmith006 (talk) 11:41 30 May 2011
Delete - There aren't any reliable third party sources about this event, and as WP:N says (in the second sentence), an article without those doesn't belong on WP. The athhletes themselves do not appear notable, and it is currently unsourced. Nolelover^{It's almost football season!} 14:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per criteria 1 of WP:FUTURE. Event is not notable at this point in time. ArcAngel (talk) ) 19:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. While there is always the possibility that the event may become notable after it is actually held, we can't know until then. The creator can always get a userfied version of the article and then move it back to mainspace after the event, but only if there are multiple, reliable, independent sources testifying to the event's notability. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 01:20, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is one of the biggest kickboxing events of the year (very notable). It just needs a knowledable editor to add the proper references.(Justinsane15 (talk) 19:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC))[reply]
Delete insufficient notability has only one of the participants has a Wikipedia article--a rough guide, but useful when its a matter of judgment. Competitions of any sort between non-notable people do not usually get substantial independent references before the event, just promotion, so I think the presumption is that they can not be found, and whatever is found what be promotional, not independent. Qwyrxianm, what have you in fact found? DGG ( talk ) 14:38, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While there's no question the K-1 organization is notable, that doesn't make all of their events notable. This event hasn't happened, seems to lack notable scheduled fighters, and has no independent and reliable sources. Papaursa (talk) 16:45, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.