Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kappa Phi Epsilon

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The result was delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kappa Phi Epsilon[edit]

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Non-notable single chapter club. No third party sources to demonstrate notability. Fails WP:N and WP:ORG requirements. Claiming "largest Christian social fraternity in the State of Florida" (a very narrow category) is not enough, without third party sources. GrapedApe (talk) 05:14, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Completely disagree. As a single chapter club, the University of Florida itself has them listed as a "registered student organization" at https://www.studentinvolvement.ufl.edu/StudentOrganizations/StudentOrganizationListing2011-2012.aspx their page can be accessed here: https://www.facebook.com/KappaPhiEpsilon and at www.kappaphiepsilon.org. Additionally, Kappa Phi Epsilon received first place in spirit points at Dance Marathon, while paired with the Panhellenic organization "Sigma Kappa" (a very notable involvement on the campus of the University of Florida), as well as winning 1st place in "Sigma Shootout" and 2nd place in Chi Omega's "Sandblast" philanthropy (commendations which demonstrate more notable involvement). Also, there are three Christian social fraternities in the State of Florida. Kappa Upsilon Chi, Beta Upsilon Chi, and Kappa Phi Epsilon. Among these, Kappa Phi Epsilon has boasted and currently boasts the largest membership according to chapter website member information for each organization. Also, it does not fail WP:N or WP:ORG, as references to Kappa Phi Epsilon from third-party organizations can be found on the UF Sigma Kappa website, in the Gainesville Sun, in the Odyssey newspaper, and most importantly, on the UF website itself. (Again: https://www.studentinvolvement.ufl.edu/StudentOrganizations/StudentOrganizationListing2011-2012.aspx)jonz1013 (talk) 12:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I appreciate your excitement about this organization, but within the context of Wikipedia, notability has a very specific meaning. Winning first place in spirit points at Dance Marathon and 2nd place in "Sandblast" is simply not enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia. That isn't passing judgment on the frat itself, it just is how Wikipedia works. The next time you participate in an AFD discussion, do not move the nominator's rationale to replace it with your own, as you did just now.--GrapedApe (talk) 12:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - Apologies, I was unaware of the format for replacing comments within the context of this argument, the initial rationale's removal was unintentional. However, the argument for inclusion remains, as the organization has shown notable involvement and can be found at a third party source (UF Website). The only difference between this organization and two similar ones (Beta Upsilon Chi and Kappa Upsilon Chi) which both are found on Wikipedia, is that the organization has a single chapter as opposed to several chapters. Kappa Phi Epsilon has done as much to warrant inclusion as these organizations, as well as many other fraternities and sororities which have Wikipedia pages. The idea behind a dictionary is that it exists to provide information others may be curious about, which includes organizations which exist in one location.-Jonz1013 (talk) 02:17, 01 July 2012 (UTC)
(With some regret) Delete -- This is essentially a student club. The link with the Oxford Holy Club is merely one of inspiration: there will be no direct descent. If the orgaisation existed over a number of separate colleges, it might manage to be notabke. Peterkingiron (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:21, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 10:25, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 02:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good points by all so far. I'd vote keep but greatly reduce the length and scope of the article. Notability seems to be in the fact that this is the oldest christian fraternity in the state. However, the article reads like an advertisement and not like an encyclopedia entry. The lack of third party sources to verify these facts is troubling. Here is more specific feedback:

If claiming largest Christian fraternity in the state - find third party verification of Beta Upsilon Chi at UF and Kappa Upsilon Chi at FSU and UCF enrollment statistics.
Could claim the oldest Christian fraternity in the state based upon verification from Beta Upsilon Chi's national website and Kappa Upsilon Chi's national website.
Reduce self reported facts and opinions.
Remove pictures, they seem promotional
Remove history section without specific citations from the Oxford Holy Club of its authorization of the content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshczupryk (talk • contribs) 12:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability must be demonstrated by showing multiple sources, per WP:N.--GrapedApe (talk) 23:12, 18 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No RS, no real notability fails WP:ORG. The Gainsville Sun is a Florida-based, local paper with a circulation of 29,583 copies [1]. The Odyssey Newspaper appears to be a highly focussed production with a very restricted client range and its online search proved negative [2]. The UF web-site hardly qualifies as an independent source for one of its own student organisations. Jpacobb (talk) 01:58, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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