Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kimbo Slice (3rd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 12:06, 6 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kimbo Slice

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Fails WP:MMANOT CrazyAces489 (talk) 05:38, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Criteria supporting notability

Subject of multiple independent articles/documentaries--articles should be from national or international media, not just local coverage or press releases from organizations Maybe

Fought for the highest title of a top tier MMA organization No

Fought at least three (3) fights for top tier MMA organizations No

CrazyAces489 (talk) 05:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. CrazyAces489 (talk) 05:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. All of the coverage combined adds up to sufficient notability. --Michig (talk) 07:12, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

comment Fails WP:MMANOT CrazyAces489 (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A dodgy MMA guideline isn't the be all and end all. He is more of a fighting 'personality' than someone who can judged on his achievements in either MMA or boxing. --Michig (talk) 17:18, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

He is known for MMA. He fails MMANOTE and BoxNote. CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Very notable subject - plenty of coverage in national media, sufficient notability outside MMA criteria.Jordanbowden (talk) 09:28, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

comment He is an MMA fighter. Has not met criterea. Fails WP:MMANOT CrazyAces489 (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The MMA criteria are built up through consensus and are subject to change. They give a pretty good indicator of notability but have never been meant to be a hard, dare I say legalistic, line - I would not call them dodgy. I do agree with Michig that he is more of a fighting 'personality' than someone who can judged on his achievements in either MMA or boxing and his coverage backs that up. He meets WP:GNG. If we are discussing strict MMA guidelines he has 2 of 3 Top Tier fights and has signed a multifight deal with Bellator with that magical third fight scheduled - I would leave it alone for that reason alone.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

commentHe fails MMANote and BoxingNot. You also can't use WP:CRYSTALBALL. The thirds fight hasn't happened. The other "UFC" fight is for a reality show and wasn't a true UFC event. Additionally these pages were deleted for not having a third fight... [1] and [2] CrazyAces489 (talk) 20:41, 27 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's debatable whether he's notable enough just for his MMA history, or his boxing history, or even his acting history. But when you combine all three, I think he is more than notable enough for an article on Wikipedia. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 23:27, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Fails WP:NBOX and WP:MMANOT . Simply not fully notable as of yet. CrazyAces489 (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He had four fights in EliteXC, two of them were main events on national television. At the time of these fights, EliteXC was a "top tier MMA organization". He has also been an actor in a few movies, has a participated in several professional boxing fights, and is a well known internet personality and "street fighter". If he was just one of these things his place on Wiki would be debatable, but as the person said above, the combination of all these things make him more that notable enough to warrant a Wiki article about him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luxus420 (talk • contribs) 23:43, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to WP:MMATIER EliteXC was a second tier organization. He fails WP:MMANOT and WP:NBOX. This individual just failed an AFD and is has more quality fights than Kimbo and is a well known kickboxer. [[3]] CrazyAces489 (talk) 01:50, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He doesn't meet WP:NMMA, but this is one of those cases where he received so much media coverage that he meets WP:GNG in spite of that. Papaursa (talk) 18:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
commentWhat is reliable? Do you see the problem in that he fails WP:MMANOT and WP:NBOX. We are using it as a strict guideline and because someone is a street fighter they are now notable? Under what guidelines?!CrazyAces489 (talk) 03:30, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment CrazyAces489 nominated the article for deletion, and has made several comments restating the same opinion. Your opinion is crystal clear -- you've stated it SEVEN times now. Repeatedly stating the same point of view does nothing to further validate your opinion. 209.90.140.72 (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep He's one of the few people I know of that are famous fighters. It's Bruce Lee, Mike Tyson and Kimbo Slice. 88.90.246.129 (talk) 06:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Google is not the decider of all things notable, but more than 2 million hits for "Kimbo Slice" is a fair hint that the subject is notable. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 07:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep No doubt he received lots of coverage--even if he was overhyped. Doesn't meet any specific profession standards but does meet WP:GNG. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Well known street fighter, sold more PPV than most UFC champions. Will fight in Bellator against Ken Shamrock so just leave him. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 19:18, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

merge to mma - this illustrates the problem of some of the guidelines. too often they are followed as a stiff law rather than a guideline.24.103.234.74 (talk) 20:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He was famous before MMA, that's why he fought in UFC. So he is not MMA fighter or Boxer he is youtube sensation. You can not fight in UFC just like that, he was brought in UFC because he is famous. Famous people have Wikipedia article. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 00:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

comment the Numa Numa (video) individual, Gary Brolsma was merged into the song's wikipedia page. He was a youtube video sensation. Does this make him notable? No, In the same way, Kimbo is NOT notable. When another MMA fight comes along he will be more notable.

comment that's a very weak argument. Kimbo Slice should have his own article just as Mike Tyson and Bruce Lee. Or do you think those fighters shouldn't have a similar article? Maybe merge Mike Tyson into boxing and Bruce Lee into Kong Fu? 176.11.137.7 (talk) 09:12, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Now that's just silly - I don't think Kimbo is anywhere near the level in popularity, or otherwise, of Mike Tyson or Bruce Lee.Peter Rehse (talk) 11:17, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You compare singing and beating the shit out of people in backyard:) Diference between Gary Brolsma and Kimbo Slice is that noone knows who Gary is and everyone knows who Kimbo is. Also Kimbo ended in world's best MMA promotion, UFC, and still noone knows who Gary is. You just hate Kimbo, people love him. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 12:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment looks like a bad faith attempt to game the system. -Lapinmies 10:20, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
commentI don't understand this game the system. He simply isn't a notable fighter in either boxing or mma. He was a youtube sensation just like Gary. Gary is known as the Numa Numa guy. Kimbo's real name isn't Kimbo it's Ferguson. I actually like Kimbo but question his notability. CrazyAces489 (talk) 13:01, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment He ended in UFC because of his street fights. Where did Numa Numa guy end? :D Also he signed with Bellator, he will be notable MMA fighter in few months. People, he is notable person. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 17:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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