Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Larrye Weaver

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The result was keep. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:41, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Larrye Weaver

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Article relies on a single source, and is only linked to by one other article which is a list of football players. Additionally a google search does not offer any additional information or sources to establish WP:GNG or WP:SNG. Fails WP:NOTPUBLICFIGURE. Attempted to speedy delete as per WP:A7 but was reverted. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 00:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, American football, and Colorado. Shellwood (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Almost certainly notable, but will need to search sources. In addition to coaching, he also played six games for the Giants in 1955. Searches in google books show quite a few hits, being an NFL offensive coordinator usually generates press. Probably quite a few sources in newspaper archives for his 1955 player season and for his OC roles in 1981-1983.--Mvqr (talk) 10:36, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources by Cbl62 below coupled with google books and other searchable sources.--Mvqr (talk) 12:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:GNG. E.g., [1], [2] [3], [4], [5], [6], [7]. And that's without even having online access to the newspapers in San Diego and Cleveland, where he gained his greatest prominence as an NFL offensive coordinator. Cbl62 (talk) 12:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets WP:GNG, per sources by Cbl62. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:26, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Really? This person played half a dozen games in the National Football League and spent multiple seasons as an NFL offensive coordinator. Clearly passes GNG. BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment So this is where things get a little gray. If you look at the guidelines for sports WP:ATHLETE there isn't a set for football. But if you review the other sports you'll notice that for most games you need to have done something other than just played a handful of games. Same is true for coaches, there isn't a set of guidelines for professional coaches but there is one for amateur coaches and in if we used those guidelines then I think he would also fail WP:NCOLLATH. I read the newspaper clippings that @Cbl62 provided (thanks for that @Cbl62 that's a good resource) and most of them mention he's a coach and do a short interview but the article is covering the performance of the team. It's a little less cut and dry then I normally like to see when dealing with WP:BLP. I know that the guidelines are flexible and aren't hard and fast rules but it just appears that as the article stands currently he doesn't appear notable. I copied some of the guidelines and put them below because they were the ones that I felt illustrated my point the best and were kind of a rough rubric I used when coming to this conclusion. Dr vulpes ^{(💬 • 📝)} 18:19, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Baseball - WP:NBASE

Are a member of a major Hall of Fame, such as the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum or the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame.

Basketball - WP:NBASKETBALL

Were selected in the first two rounds of the NBA draft.
Have won an award, or led the league in a major statistical category, of the Continental Basketball Association or NBA G League.

College Athletes and Coaches - WP:NCOLLATH

Have won a national award (such as those listed in Template:College Football Awards or the equivalent in another sport), or established a major NCAA Division I record.
Were inducted into the hall of fame in their sport (for example, the College Football Hall of Fame).
Gained national media attention as an individual, not just as a player for a notable team. Very rarely, a player may gain national media attention despite not being on a notable team, such as Lauren Hill.
Have won multiple NCAA Division I national championships as an individual in an individual sport.
Served as a full-time (as opposed to interim) head coach for NCAA Division I/University Division football. Other college coaches in other divisions and/or other sports may also meet notability guidelines via WP:NBASIC.

@Dr vulpes: Passing GNG, as here, is all that's required. Q3 in the NSPORTS FAQs expressly states: "If the subject meets the general notability guideline, then they meet Wikipedia's standards for having an article in Wikipedia, even if they do not meet the criteria for the appropriate sports-specific notability guideline. The sports-specific notability guidelines are not intended to set a higher bar for inclusion in Wikipedia." Cbl62 (talk) 00:36, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He'd meet BASEBALL above, had he played that sport. We keep anyone who appears in any game in the big leagues. I've contributed to articles where the baseball player has less playing time than this fellow has. Journeyman plan/coach/higher level guy. Not worthy of the NFL equivalent of Cooperstown, but just did his job for a fair amount of time. I see nothing wrong with keeping the article. Oaktree b (talk) 19:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:NGRIDIRON, WP:GNG, and WP:BASIC, per the sources provided by Cbl62. Ejgreen77 (talk) 22:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep sources found above show a clear pass of WP:GNG.--Paul McDonald (talk) 17:31, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per GNG. Another example of a waste of time AfD now that we overpruned NSPORT and people don't understand that if an athlete meets GNG they are still notable even if they don't meet NSPORT. Rlendog (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Meets WP:GNG, per sources found by above voters.Alimovvarsu (talk) 21:45, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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