Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Laura Kirkpatrick

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (Non-admin closure). Little Mountain 5 01:16, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Kirkpatrick

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I propose delete. She is not notable, as much as her fans want her to be. Please note that I voted for her in the Fan Favourite poll as well, and I love her, but the sad fact that besides participating in a show watched by 4 million people (a tiny fraction of the US TV market), being on a show being lambasted as "thrash" and an "insult" to the modeling world, she has done nothing to be noted. I understand the winners getting pages but unless they do something great or are a reality TV first, (like Elyse, Toccara, Isis, Heather), we should delete it before more fan favourites start getting their own pages. ZephyrWind (talk) 07:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As I indicated on the talk page, this article was at first an uncited stub that wasthe subject of an RFD discussion, where the result was delete. I started working on this page after that discussion, and I created a comprehensive, cited page that vastly improved on the old stub. I created the new pageonly after I ran it by the administrator who oversaw the old RFD, and he condoned the creation of the new page. This article should be kept for a number of reasons. It includes information from reliable, verifiable, secondary sources, satisfying WP:RS, WP:V and WP:NOR. It also satisfies WP:Notability. She is the runner-up for the season, which alone almost makes her notable enough for an entry. However, in this case there are other things that make her notable. She won the fan favorite poll (run by the show, not a fansite). She has a continued modeling career after the series (as indicated by her offer from Bankable Productions). Her official blog is featured on the website of the Kentucky newspaper, The Advocate-Messenger, which makes her a writer with a state-wide and nation-wide platform. Couple that with the pre-show and post-show info already in the article, this satisfied WP:Notability and WP:Oneevent and more than solidifies that an article for Laura Kirkpatrick is appropriate. — Hunter Kahn _(c) 14:53, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment nominator incomplete the article nomination. It is listed now. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 16:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think being the runner up, and winning the official fan-favourite competiton represents notability, and the page should grow if she had a modelling career, though I also think that if this page is deleted, several other Top Model contestant pages need to be seriously relooked at too. (Eg Bre Scullark, Kahlen Rondot, Allison Harvard, Celia Ammerman etc) (Kyleofark (talk) 18:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]
- For the record, I also made the Celia Ammerman page, and that article went through an AFD, where the result was keep. The same arguments I made there I would also apply here, except that I think Kirkpatrick is arguably more notable. — Hunter Kahn _(c) 22:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - I believe I voted to keep the Celia article, and would still vote to keep it now.. Im just saying that if Laura is losing her article, then the likes of Celia, Bre, Allison, Kahlen, Samantha, Lisa D'Amato probably shouldnt have them either. I actually think wikipedia is no worse off having these articles at all. Its not like these girls were first out and vanished, they all did well in the competiton :) (Kyleofark (talk) 23:03, 28 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]
    - I understand what you are saying, and I agree. As I stated at the Celia AFD, I would argue Wikipedia is better off, not worse off, for having them. This is a comprehensive, paperless encyclopedia, and if somebody wants to search for Celia Ammerman and Laura Kirkpatrick, we are all the better for having information on them. I feel I could invoke ignore all rules if I had to for that reason, although I don't think I do in this case, because I think notability is already established... — Hunter Kahn _(c) 23:59, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:32, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. She has gained some media attention (mostly local I know but still) and being voted as a fan favourite is a first ever, so I guess that's a notable feat. And by the way, Celia has been featured in some press work, Kahlen has been honored by Oklahoma State Senate and got her very own nude pic scandal, Bre has been on TMZ for an arrest andd hosted a show, Allison is a well known online artist and Lisa d'Amato has been on muliple shows and gossip sites, which kinda makes them de facto notable (just like Heather and Mercedes for their spokesperson work and Joanie, Kim and Toccara for their hosting duties or Cassandra and Yaya for their acting). I wouldn't mind seeing Samantha, Eugena and Chantal deleted though. I'm on the fence about Shannon, Fatima and Anya--Whadaheck (talk) 00:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - She passes our notability criteria. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 01:38, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok. The arguments seem fine to me. Let's keep it then. And as some others have said before me, I agree that Samantha and Chantal should actually be discussed for deletion as well. Shannon is fine since she is a pageant winner. ZephyrWind (talk) 03:12, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think Samantha in particular is one that should be discussed. She left Top Model a year ago, and I havent heard a single word about her since. Maybe ive just stumbled accross her more often than I should, but ive seen a lot more of Chantal than many other contestants, though that could just be randomly lucky. But then, thats not for here :) (90.210.242.223 (talk) 21:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC))[reply]
Keep User:Hunter Kahn thinks that is right. Does meet notability guidelines. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 17:44, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure what you mean by "Hunter Kahn thinks that is right." — Hunter Kahn _(c) 18:00, 30 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - OK. Let's remove the AFD tag soon. ZephyrWind (talk) 03:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ZephyrWind reversed herself, so the AFD should be withdrawn.

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