Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lauren Jauregui (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Winged Blades^Godric 13:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lauren Jauregui

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Since the last afD, the only thing that changed is the release of "Strangers (Halsey song)", a promo single where she is featured. It has entered some national charts, in lower positions. It fits her section on the band's article. I believe it doesn't make her notable as a solo artist yet. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:45, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I mentioned in the first AfD for this article that she had just released a song. Not only did her second collaboration chart on the Billboard Hot 100, she has also made headlines when she came out as bisexual in a letter published by Billboard and won the Celebrity of the Year award at the British LGBT Awards, beating other nominees such as Lady Gaga and Laverne Cox (from Orange is the New Black). Personally, I think she is a rising star and has a recognizable name apart from her brand in Fifth Harmony. She deserves a seperate article. In fact, skimming through the page as it is right now, it seems she has her share of information to document on her solo endeavors, early life, X Factor journey before being formed as one-fifth of Fifth Harmony and her personal life (including relationships with front-runner Brad Simpson of The Vamps and rumored ex-girlfriend Lucy Vives, daughter of Colombian singer Carlos Vives. De88 (talk) 08:18, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@De88: I don't believe those two relationships are encyclopedic. These first comments could help. How notable is that award ceremony? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 08:30, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Cornerstonepicker: According to sources, it has been dubbed "Britain's gay Oscars". Prince William made a speech when he won the Straight Ally award as well. This definitely is an award ceremony recognized by celebrities and other influential folks. WP may not be a tabloid because I find it perfectly reasonable to mention the relationships that someone of celebrity status has had, especially when those she dated were famous as well. The majority of actors and singers have this section so I don't see why this should exclude Lauren's article. Celebrities who come out also have this mentioned in their articles. Plus, her coming out is backed up with the Billboard article (which is a very reliable source in the music industry). De88 (talk) 08:42, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@De88: That was exactly the point: just because she's dating someone 'famous' doesn't mean it belongs in a WP article. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:49, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep per above. One song charted in the Billboard Hot 100, clearly notable per WP:MUSICBIO. Speedy because the nomination may not be reasonable. - TheMagnificentist 08:28, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMagnificentist: 70% of the article is from Fifth Harmony. the rest is her coming-out letter and her relationships. WP is not a tabloid. There's no much to say about her two collabs, that little perfectly fits her original section. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 08:34, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

She meets both criteria, general and music. By that, other minor issues are irrelevant. Per GNG, if a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list. Per MUSICBIO, Musicians may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria: (2) Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. Both are met, I don't see an issue. Her original song charted in France, her featured song charted in the US and some coverage [1][2][3]. Per WP:Split, content from the band's article should be reduced so that more can be added to the separate article. - TheMagnificentist 08:46, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMagnificentist: Consider this: as I said most of the article is Fifth Harmony information. It is clearly a filler, the split is not justified. Her coming out letter and two singles as featured artist doesn't justify a stand-alone article. As an example, former member Camila Cabello didn't have an article until she went solo, even after her second single as a featured artist entered the top 20 in the US, because her article would have been a c/p from the band's. Jauregui is in WP, as a member of a band, which personal projects are included in their section. Cornerstonepicker (talk)

@Cornerstonepicker: doesn't really matter if it's Fifth Harmony's info. As long as the main criteria are met, she is deemed notable to have her own article. What you just said has nothing to do with Wikipedia's inclusion policies. It's entirely your own opinion. - TheMagnificentist 23:52, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMagnificentist: I'm well aware how afD talk works, is not enterely "per WP:--". If you just copy and paste information from the main article to make it bigger, you're motivating the split. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This person has received sufficient coverage in reliable sources for her activities apart from Fifth Harmony to warrant an independent article. For example, here are some articles on her single with Marian Hill [4][5][6] and her single with Halsey: [7][8][9][10]. This demonstrates that the subject meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO, and this information can be supplemented with "personal life" content such as her Trump comments from this month and last November [11][12][13], her citation for marijuana possession [14][15], and her sexuality [16][17]. gongshow talk 18:23, 24 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Gongshow: her citacion for marihuana possession is encyclopedic? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 10:16, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I said only that the details of this person's "personal life" serve to supplement the material - i.e., the first seven articles I linked - which establish that WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO are met. The part in italics is what I'm focusing on here. gongshow talk 05:12, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: meets WP:NMG. DrStrauss talk 20:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect She does not have enough notable information to create her own stand alone article and she is not notable outside the group until she is the page should remain as Redirect to Fifth Harmony#Lauren Jauregui. This shouldn't even be a discussion but since it is I'm willing join the discussion and fight the topic! WeLcOmEtOtHenEwMiLlEnIuM _(Talk) 20:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In addition to her music career, her notability gets an uptick in the last 6 months by being named #1 on the AfterEllen.com "Hot List" for 2016 (Link Here). I'm adding this for notability evidence (and it can't hurt to be added to the article) but honestly, this is a remarkably well sourced article and it's genuinely odd that it's coming to AfD at all. -Markeer 02:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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