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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. SpinningSpark 01:09, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of UFC events in 2012

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List of UFC events in 2013 is a similar page and should be deleted as well.I remember halloween (talk) 21:56, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pages are being deleted without information being retained, when information should be transfered here at the least. Page contains the same (if not less) information that List of UFC events does. Page also bears similarity to a previous page on the debate of UFC notibility (2012 in UFC events) which was ultimatley deleted and it's containing events reinstated to their own pages. Autokid15 (talk) 05:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suprised were going through this same process yet again. Each event page contains information specific to that event such as previously scheduled fights, and a list of fights on each card. Wikipedia has become a great source for collecting this information (as a journalist who runs the website TheMMApodcast.com) and it would be a shame to have to stop using this as a resource for information. Like Autokid15 mentioned, this has been a problem broached before by members here and it was ultimately decided that each event should be granted it's own page as each event is a big deal for MMA/UFC fans. Not sure who is trying to lead this charge to take down information relating to this, but I can assure you most MMA fans and journalists alike are not keen to it whatsoever. There are other places to get this information, but as far as reliability I have gotten used to the comprehensiveness and familiarity with each event being on Wikipedia. JMW814 (talk) 17:38, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete This page is completely redundant and all of its information is exactly contained in List of UFC events. It serves no purpose and is of no value. JMW814, these terrible pages, such as this and the quarterly omnibusses are products of the assault that was waged upon the wikipedia MMA structure. We are deleting the last remnants of that battle and restoring things to the way they once were. The only thing left to do after this article is killed is rebuild the few remaining event articles that do not have articles.I remember halloween (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Complete support for the above reasoning by I remember halloween, which is an accurate account of previous events Trok333 (talk) 05:20, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the List of UFC events is over 80kb long and having the events split by year or decade seems a sensible way to address the length of List of UFC events. Mtking (edits) 22:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment MtKing's comment above is clearly left in bad faith given she used to support putting all MMA/UFC content (not just a list of links but the entire contents) for an entire year on one page, and the results were hundreds of KB long. Significant effort was wasted to stop this but now MtKing's back again with more disingenuous requests. Anything to make MMA coverage worse on wiki and generally antagonizing MMA editors seems to be the standard operating procedure here. Agent00f (talk) 23:00, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Seconded. MtKing has proven himself to little more than a troll at this point. He has been completely counter productive to everything that has transpired with WP MMA for the last year or so. He is offering intentionally poor recommendations with the intentiong of doing no more than antagonizing people.I remember halloween (talk) 23:33, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • It now seems that the reason why UFC in Macao/Macau was because of a lack of sources that are suppose to not relate to MMA. While this is in no violation of the questionable source wiki page (WP:NOTRELIABLE), here are some "non-MMA" websites that relate to the topic, ESPN[1], Sportsnet[2] and China Daily [3] . Autokid15 (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The "MMA sources" are hardly questionable. For example, the couple MMA deletionists like to pretend MMAJunkie or whatever is some sort of shill journal when its role as a property/brand of USA Today is clearly noted under every one of its pages and elsewhere. This would imply that A) they've never visited any of the sources they're criticizing and therefore argue from a position of ignorance, or B) they're already aware but choose to blatantly lie. Given that this issue's been brought up countless times in months past, option A seems rather untenable. Agent00f (talk) 23:09, 6 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:44, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete In its current state I don't think this page should be kept, the information is simply repeated. I agree with comments that the List of UFC Events article does need work, as it currently resembles a database rather than an easy to view article. However I don't think creating a specialist page for each year of UFC events is the answer. JP22Wiki (talk) 10:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This page is the result of what consensus and compromise was able to be cobbled together from the Policy says X' and the Support MMA camps. An idea was floated to break the page out into sub-articles that each carried a specific classification (numbered events, UFC on Fox, UFC on FX, etc.) This article was supposed to be the index that allowed people interested in the series of events the information. The idea was shouted down because it would have meant the merging and redirecting of several of the existing articles into the classification lists or to here. The idea was to have these pages be the little blurb that lead you into the individual event article (once it was appropriate for an individual article). Obviously because we're fighting the same argument for what appears to be the 5th time, we have to question if even the consensus we have currently is even able to stand with the repeated and constant challanges. Hasteur (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 00:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • If this page were the product of consensus, then surely someone can point to where to it was decided among editors who've any visible competence or interest in this material. It's interesting that even though the MMA pages were modeled after the same formatting as the rest of the sports entries on wiki, and even tend to be better sourced than the norm, it's come under very specific strongly motivated deletions from a camp. Just like IRL, better judgement is produced by those with some knowledge of the subject matter at hand rather than the opposite. Agent00f (talk) 02:40, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Useless page with repeated information. No one wants to maintain this. The only people who want this thing are those who are on a crusade against articles about UFC events. Previous attempts to have a page like this one proved to be a total catastrophe. Evenfiel (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete There's not a lot of value in having this index without having it link back to the associated UFC in 2012 pages, which have all been deleted. Without those pages, I agree that this article is redundant and that List of UFC events has the same information in a better format. CaSJer (talk) 12:51, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2012 November 13. Snotbot  t • c »  16:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
  1. ^ "ESPN".
  2. ^ "Sportsnet".
  3. ^ "China Daily".
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