Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Martin Wojcik

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The result was delete. Michig (talk) 18:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Wojcik

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Subject is an MMA fighter with no fights for a top tier organization. There are no supported claims of notability, with the only source being his fight record at sherdog. Papaursa (talk) 04:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 04:43, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:40, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has fought for 4 notable MMA promotions, journeyman kickboxer, fought 2 Bellator and PRIDE veterans in the past 4 years. Sepulwiki 22:56, 10 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He's not even been fighting for second tier MMA organizations (and he's lost 2/3 of those fights). The fact that he fought someone who later became notable is a clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. Papaursa (talk) 04:24, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I would say Glory is a top tier MMA promotion in Europe and is known by most casual fans, Shooto is a top tier Japanese promotion that most if not all fans should know....chances are you are a borderline casual fan and only watch and keep up things related to the UFC and Strikeforce. Just b/c you think these are lower tier promotions doesnt mean everyone else does. Also he did not fight people who later become notable....he fought people who were notable before they fought....not sure where your information comes from. Sepulwiki

I would have said Glory is a kickboxing, not MMA, organization (see Glory (kickboxing). None of this is about what I (or you) think, it's about what the consensus of WP editors thinks. I would refer you to WP:MMANOT where the MMA organizations he's fighting for (Superior, Israel FC) aren't even listed as second tier. As far as the fighters go, his loss to Veigh was 4 years before Veigh started fighting for Bellator (and hence became notable) and Lénogue doesn't meet the notability criteria at WP:MMANOT. Papaursa (talk) 22:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And then I would have said that you are once again wrong. Are you only reading this stuff on Wikipedia? Glory has put on mixed martial arts fights on their Glory cards, Glory 11 featured Alistair Overeem (current UFC fighter) in the main event, a fighter you are probably familiar with being a relatively new MMA fan and from the looks of it someone who doesnt watch the fights but reads about them on the internet more or less. and how Lénogue as not only a mixed martial artist but also a actor and stuntman fighting for PRIDE FC and BAMMA amongst other mid to top tier MMA promotions is very confusing to me. Instead of speaking out of context about a sport im starting to think you dont even watch. Sepulwiki

Here are over ten Glory MMA events, 3 of which featured on Sky Sports and other top cable programs, get your facts straight guy, http://www.sherdog.com/organizations/Glory-World-Series-1116. Sepulwiki

Would you please show me when he fought in a Glory MMA match? Neither his article nor sherdog (have you heard of them?) show him ever fighting in an MMA match for Glory.Papaursa (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just saw you had multiple declines for articles you nominated for deletion, seems to be some sort of pattern with you. Sepulwiki

That comment is both irrelevant and untrue. If you actually look at my record at AfDs you'd see that I'm in the majority a large percentage of the time. So far you haven't addressed any of the issues concerning Wojcik--either him not meeting WP:MMANOT or the fact that the only coverage given is his fight record at sherdog. You also missed my point about claiming notability because of his opponents falls under WP:NOTINHERITED. Your strategy seems to be attack the messenger instead of refuting the message. Papaursa (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep DemonocracyUSA (talk) 18:27, 11 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

— DemonocracyUSA (talk • contribs) has made no other edits outside this topic. Papaursa (talk) 01:43, 12 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete One fight in a second-tier organization, none on top-tier (Shooto Sweden is different from Shooto), only three fights against notable opponents. We (MMA fans) need to pick and choose our battles. This guy's just not worthy of a stand-alone article. Luchuslu (talk) 17:05, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
delete Doesn't meet general notability guidelines or the specific guidelines for MMA fighters. There's also a lack of significant coverage. 204.126.132.231 (talk) 21:58, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:MMANOT. I couldn't find non-routine coverage of him and the only source in the article is sherdog--and that's just his fight record. Mdtemp (talk) 22:32, 13 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:MMANOT by having no fights with a top tier promotion, as defined by WP:MMANOT. --TreyGeek (talk) 02:07, 14 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Pretty clearly fails WP:MMANOT and WP:GNG. No significant coverage and no fights for a top tier organization. CaSJer (talk) 13:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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