Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Kuhr

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Spirit of Eagle (talk) 02:45, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Kuhr

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

None of the kickboxing claims have sources and I was not able to find independent sources to confirm them. If he was champion of all those professional organizations, he's definitely notable as a kickboxer. The other sources appear to be more passing mentions because his agency was involved in the investigation of the poker tournament robbery.Mdtemp (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Only snippet view is available, but this German-language book from 1992 (some kind of "year in review" type of publication by the official government archive of Berlin) refers to Kuhr defending a kickboxing title against a fighter named Bogdan Sawicki in that city that year. These two German-language periodicals (Zitty and Focus) also appear to refer to him as a kickboxing champion, though again, only snippet view is available. I can't verify those specific titles, but he does seem to be a notable figure, who's receiving significant coverage in German-language sources in his role as a celebrity bodyguard Die Welt, B.Z., Klatsch & Tratsch, etc. As such, I'd lean toward Keep. -208.81.148.195 (talk) 17:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the source doesn't say what organization's title he won. There are dozens of small organizations whose titles do not confer notability. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 21:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I have added a source to the article supporting the claim he won significant pro kickboxing titles. Papaursa (talk) 02:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. — JJMC89 (T·C) 02:56, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:34, 1 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep he passes NSPORT and GNG, W.A.K.O. European Championships 1986 lists him as European champion; here is Kuhr on the cover of a German magazine as world champion (Kicksider, March 1993), he has been running a security service, see Ehemaliger Kick-Box-Weltmeister bewacht Zoo und Tierpark (Former Kick-Box World Champion Runs Zoo Security) in Berliner Morgenpost (January 5, 2015); he also worked as bodyguard for celebrities, keeping him in the public eye a bit. Kraxler (talk) 01:34, 4 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.