Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nasef (missile)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 03:51, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nasef (missile)

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I cannot find any reliable, non-primary coverage of this missile type. The one source in the article dedicates only 3 sentences to the missile. Does not meet GNG. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and United Arab Emirates. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 22:05, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom; I could only find mentions of the rocket (in reliable sources). —Danre98^{(talk^contribs)} 22:47, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found a good primary source: Technical Specifications, a bad secondary source: Arabic text, and a good secondary source: Azeri magazine (page 20) PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 23:37, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak Azeri, and can't even tell if what's in that magazine article constitutes significant coverage. Primary sources do not establish notability. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 03:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Azeri source is a good one, it's a published magazine. However the missile is only mentioned, not significant coverage, and there is a picture of it. There is a section talking about the Halcon missiles in a more general sense. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 13:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - Best to be merged to an article about Halcon Systems oder Defense Industry of the United Arab Emirates if they would have existed. In the mean time merge it is best megred to List of equipment of the United Arab Emirates Army oder United Arab Emirates Armed Forces. Topic is notable in the context of the UAE defense industry but does not appear to have enough independent coverage about it to constitute its own article at this point.--PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 13:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just because it was developed in the UAE doesn't mean the UAE military uses it. This should not be merged to anything relating to the UAE military unless we have proof they use this missile system. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 14:03, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Trainsandotherthings You are right, perhaps of the existing articles it is best merged to EDGE Group which Halcon is a subsidiary of. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 14:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still inclined to delete myself because the most that I think should belong in that article is a mention added to HALCON manufactures guides missile systems, specifically the words "including nasef". The article currently boils down to "Nasef is a missile manufactured by Halcon", the rest being specifications that don't belong in the Edge group article or unhelpful information. That content alone is not worth saving the content as written (since merely adding a mention is all that could be done). —Danre98^{(talk^contribs)} 23:41, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you think people who search Nasef (missile) should not be redirected to the subsidiaries section of EDGE Group? PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 00:18, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose that could happen as opposed to a merge. I assume you're talking about what would happen if my mergish proposal (i.e. adding a mention) happen. I'm slightly inclined towards deletion because of how little information would be presented (readers may already know that it's a missile built by Halcon when they search) and readers might be surprised to be directed to a subsidiary list with a single mention of Nasef in it. In short, I doubt its usefulness. —Danre98^{(talk^contribs)} 10:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. I think your idea of merging this article to EDGE Group by adding "including Nasef" to the section about Halcons missiles is the best option right now. I have made Halcon Systems redirect to EDGE Group. Perhaps in the future, if Draft:Halcon Systems becomes an article, then the information of Nasef from this article can be included in a list of missiles by Halcon on that page. If Halcon systems ends up becoming its own article then perhaps a case can be made that Nasef (missile) should redirect to there, however as it stands now I agree that Nasef (missile) is too detailed of a name to redirect to EDGE group as that would set the precedent that every single product of every subsidiary of EDGE Group can become a redirect. PiccklePiclePikel (talk) 12:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:34, 7 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 12:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.