Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/National Band Association Hall of Fame of Distinguished Band Conductors

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:25, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

National Band Association Hall of Fame of Distinguished Band Conductors

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No sourcing found, just passing mentions of people being inducted. Prod declined due to previous prod in 2008. Turns up <400 Google hits and nothing on Books. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:18, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep has 19 notable members listed, already has a number of references Atlantic306 (talk) 18:51, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The references are all primary or passing mentions. They're just university pages saying "so and so was inducted". Notability is not inherited from notable members. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 19:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TenPoundHammer: Did you actually read the sources? Can you give a specific example of a reference that is a university page naming an inductee? –dlthewave ☎ 03:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Source #10 is one of those. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:25, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Jack Frost (talk) 20:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Jack Frost (talk) 20:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Jack Frost (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as discussed in >2 independent sources Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as discussed in <2 independent reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:20, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as discussed in >2 independent sources of presumed reliabiity. Carrite (talk) 15:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So where are these sources then? let's look at the ones in the article.

1 - orgs own website, not independent

2,9,10 - orgs host, not independent

3 - page of inductee, not independent, passing mention only

4 - primary, not an independent reliable source, only mentions that someone was inductee, no other mentions

5 - page of inductee, not independent, passing mention only

6 - deaddead, not an independent reliable source

7 - deaddead, not an independent reliable source

8 - dead, may be this which only has a passing mention, not an independent reliable source

11 - shop, not an independent reliable source, passing mention only

So zero in the article. If my maths is correct that is <2. So not in the article then

So where are they hiding? duffbeerforme (talk) 11:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would be helpful if the keep voters could identify the specific independent sources in this discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, power~enwiki (π, ν) 20:51, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no authoritative, independent references are provided that demonstrate that the subject itself (the Hall of Fame) is notable.--Rpclod (talk) 01:50, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Dead links do not advance notability| and I could not find more than primary sources. Having "100" reportedly notable members does not give inherited notability either nor does passing mention. The subject would actually be the National Band Association Hall of Fame except there is no notability per ORG. A non-notable subject should not be used as reason to start many biographies and especially WP:BLP's that are held to a higher standards. Otr500 (talk) 09:16, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.