Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Net voyne!

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to 2022 anti-war protests in Russia. consensus is this does not (yet) merit a standalone. Should that change once the war is not a current event, it can be spun back out. Star Mississippi 01:19, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Net voyne!

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“No to the war” seems about as original as “Fuck Joe Biden”. Not every wartime slogan automatically becomes the next “we shall fight on the beaches” or “day that will live in infamy”. Feels very much WP:TOOSOON, WP:RECENTISM, WP:NOTNEWS Dronebogus (talk) 07:12, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military, Russia, and Ukraine. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 07:14, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete completely unnecessary fork from 2022 anti-war protests in Russia. WP:NOTNEWS Mztourist (talk) 08:24, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep this slogan is continually being used by people. If you conduct a search on Google and/or Youtube, there is a significant number of videos and articles uploaded recently with this slogan. Hence notability. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:OR, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:GOOGLE Dronebogus (talk) 20:26, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OR has nothing to do with notability of topics, if anything at all it has to do with noteworthyness of some article contents, which, however, is subject to our normal article improvement process on article talk pages, not the topic of article deletion discussions.

WP:NOTNEWS #1 (Primary sources), #3 (Who's who) and #4 (Celebrity gossip and diary) do not apply as well. Many secondary sources are available even on an international level.

The only item that could potentially apply is #2 (News reports) which is about the question of enduring notability. However, the topic is not about announcements or breaking news, so it is not among topics we rule out in general. Given that the main event (Russia's invasion of Ukraine) is of extraordinary importance globally and any emerging protests in Russia are in the interest and focus of an international audience, and it has already been picked up as a theme by authors and artists, I think that enduring notability is given. This is the type of themes historians will continue to discuss and analyze in publications for long. White Rose, Edelweiss Pirates or Leipzig Meuten come to my mind, movements which are still a subject of historical research about 8 decades later - I consider any protest movements in Russia to be of similar enduring notability.

WP:GOOGLE is only a how-to page, neither policy nor guideline. It discusses how to perform "google searches" and how to interpret the results. This works both ways, we can use it to find information and to get a rough idea of usage statistics of certain terms, but we should be careful not to over-interpret those numbers. This is what experienced WP editors do anyway, so it brings nothing to the table which would be relevant to this discussion.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge essential elements back into 2022 anti-war protests in Russia. If the slogan takes off, and a separate article is justifiable, more data could be added there and, if necessary, later, the article split out again. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:18, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will add a tag. Kaihsu (talk) 08:25, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it was a particularly good idea to start a separate merge discussion in the middle of an AfD discussion.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think the slogan has already "taken off" enough to be discussed as a semantically distinguishable subtopic - besides the primary sources we already have many secondary sources meeting WP:RS on international level indicating notability for a stand-alone article.

Also, we must consider that the size of the potential merge target article is already at 156 KB right now. At this size we usually start to think about splitting out identifiable sub-topics into separate articles rather than merging even more into them.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 12:42, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - a large number of articles on Wikipedia link to this page; this use of the symbol is of widespread interest and concern. Yadsalohcin (talk) 18:09, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t see how the number of internal links is a reason to keep it. Dronebogus (talk) 20:11, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this phrase has seen significant usage. Brad (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The topic meets the notability threshold per WP:GNG, the necessary number of WP:RS are provided in the article, more could be given. As discussed above, this is beyond the "breaking news" level already. I see enduring notability of this.

--Matthiaspaul (talk) 08:54, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Page is a perfect example of WP:TOOSOON, should be merged into 2022 anti-war protests in Russia. Fijipedia (talk) 23:30, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2022 anti-war protests in Russia. The slogan does not have independent notability. Sidenote: the read uses spelling Nyet voynye!, different from the title... sigh. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:57, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Got it, I'll change the phonetic translation. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 11:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
MergeMausebru the Peruvian (talk, contibs) 18:23, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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