Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Amos

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 23:26, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Amos

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Poorly referenced BLP, the references provided are of dubious significance. Paolo Napolitano 14:56, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I found nothing to support any claims of notability. Being the chief instructor of an organization you founded doesn't show notability. His claims of being a world champion aren't supported--in fact, they appear incorrect. I removed claims of being JKA All-Japan champion, JKA overall world champion, and medalist in both kumite and kata at the JKA world championships because his name doesn't appear in any list of JKA champions that I could find. In fact, the article claimed the 1998 world championships were in Switzerland when, according to the JKA, they were in Paris. There's a lack of both notability and reliable sources. Papaursa (talk) 01:56, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He appears to be just another karate instructor. I couldn't find any reliable sources that show he's notable. Mdtemp (talk) 17:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Reliable sources are always hard to find for karate people because karate does not get much media attention and karateka do not very often write books. I do not know what has happened about the championship claims but Amos is highly respected by senior skotokan instructors I know in the UK and was certainly trained in Tokyo by the JKA. That is not a world where anybody can get by on bullshit. Shotokan Karate Magazine and The Shotokan Way should be reliable sources for a lot of what is in the article even if the championship claims need to be removed pending verification. I do not think Sarah Amos interviewing him in the latter magazine is related to him.--Charles (talk) 11:06, 11 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't doubt that he trained in Tokyo, but that doesn't make him notable. There's nothing in the article that shows he's different from lots of other karateka. Papaursa (talk) 01:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Notability is defined as "The state or quality of being notable; distinction; prominence". In my opinion Sensei Richard Amos and his Karate is certainly notable. Beginning Karate in the mid-80's in Canada I was often consumed with the rare book or magazine that articulated the stories of Karate practitioners from around the World. During the 1990's Shotokan Karate Magazine often featured stories, and interviews on an English Karate practitioner training in Japan. This Karate practitioner's name was Sensei Richard Amos. In many ways I felt connected and could relate to Sensei Amos as he was caucasian training in Japan, living the dream of many young practitioners. Training and graduating in the JKA Kenshusei Training Program as a caucasian is an absolute rarity and has been well documented. It was not until 2006 that I was fortunate enough to become involved with the WTKO and its chief instructor Sensei Richard Amos. Approaching 30 years of Shotokan Karate training myself I have trained with many of the most "notable" Shotokan Instructors in the World at various National and International training camps. Sensei's such as Suguira, Okazaki, Yaguchi, Mikami, Takashina, Koyama, Osaka, Mori, Hazard, Mullin, Field, Jones, Woon-a-tai, Saeki, Ubl, Maeda, Serrichio, and Crockford. From the various personal trip's I have made to train with Sensei Amos in New York, to the seminars I have hosted with Sensei in Canada, or to the many technical or philosophical questions Sensei has assisted myself with I can say for certainty that Sensei Amos is the most "notable" instructor I have ever trained under. My opinion is shared by Karate practioners the World over regardless of organizational affiliation.

I will personally make myself availible to provide any verification that is required. Scott Middleton

I have trained with Amos twice in England and know how well respected he is among senior shotokan instructors. What we need are references from those books and magazines to establish notability from Wikipedia's point of view. Do you still have any of those books/mags or know where to look for them?--Charles (talk) 18:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I most certainly will provide refenences to the numerous magazines and publications that Amos Sensei has been involved with. This will take a little more then a week as I am leaving the country on vacation tomorrow, and of course the vast amount of volumes I will need to look thru to provide accurate information. I will make this my first priority upon return. Kind regards - Scott Middleton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.103.2 (talk) 18:55, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have trained with Sensei Amos myself, and he is indeed a great sensei, but Wikipedia does not count greatness as a criteria for inclusion. See WP:BIO. Paolo Napolitano 21:06, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see the argument as to Richard Amos notability or being notable. It's common fact in the Shotokan Karate community that Richard Amos Sensei is a source of reference. In countless articles in Shotokan Karate Magazine and The Shotokan Way to name a few sources. The fact that Richard Amos' teaching is in high demand internationally should be a source of notability. Using the current JKA website as a source of credibility on JKA Instructors or JKA Instructor graduates are poor at best. The Japan Karate Association on Wikipedia mentioned Richard Amos as having completed the JKA instructors' course along with other international foreign JKA Instructors. I have trained with Amos Sensei at the WTKO Honbu Dojo in Manhattan on a numerous occasions and have hosted him in our region in the past. Attracting many senior Shotokan karate instructors attending his seminars from various organizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by74.83.252.193 (talk) 01:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC) — 74.83.252.193 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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