Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Second Presbyterian Church (Indianapolis, IN)

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The result was redirect to Henry Ward Beecher. Black Kite 16:46, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second Presbyterian Church (Indianapolis, IN)

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no credible claims of notability whatsoever. WuhWuzDat 17:21, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

comment Many primary sources but havent found much in terms of secondary sourcing establishing notability. Im leaning towards delete but would like to see if any sources are availabe. Ottawa4ever (talk) 18:44, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Historical notability. Joe Chill (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Having skimmed these, which article in paticular contributes a substantial degree of coverage of the church to establish notability? The Historical notability may be there, but how and what is historically notable about the church is important and perhaps a focal point of what this article needs. One of the early notable pastors to me at least repreasents a degree of notability, but in that case theres a whole article already about him, would a merge into his article be appropriate? Something more about the church is still missing I believe (at least from my perspective). Ottawa4ever (talk) 23:22, 13 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Its claim to notability was based on Henry Ward Beecher, but I have to agree that until someone wants to make an article about the church itself, redirect to the Beecher article. Mandsford (talk) 22:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly closely identified with Beecher. [1] , [2] [3] etc. in the New York Times clearly are secondary sources establishing notability. And over six hundred mentions in books. But having the founding pastor be Beecher ought be enough. Collect (talk) 13:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now. At this point the article can be deleted. I have some sources about the church and will recreate the article when notability can be shown other than just connection to Beecher. Reywas92 ^Talk 02:38, 26 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 00:46, 28 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and redirect to Beecher article. Hobit (talk) 04:02, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Please just delete instead. That would be an inappropriate redirect because the church is just something related to Beecher, but not part of him. That's almost like redirecting the organization Southern Christian Leadership Conference to its founder Martin Luther King, Jr. There would be nothing to merge anyway. Reywas92 ^Talk 04:15, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete until such time as notability can be established beyond Beecher, per Reywas92. SMC (talk) 08:13, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.