Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sha'ir

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:20, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sha'ir

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Sha'ir is simply the Arabic word for 'poet'—not a specific kind of poet. The article as currently written is really principally oriented toward a Dungeons & Dragons class. For the sources employed, it seems like what the article is meant to get at is the role of the poet in Jāhiliy Arab society. Arabic poetry#Pre-Islamic poetry already covers this in a more substantive way. It's not clear that the term sha'ir as such has a notability distinct from Jāhiliy poetry. Pathawi (talk) 21:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Poetry-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Religion-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am at a loss as to why this AfD was brought to this location: the article makes no pretense of being about a religious topic. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 23:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I probably made a mistake. Which location? I thought I put it under 'Fiction and the Arts'. Pathawi (talk) 07:21, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I see that someone else cross-listed it. Pathawi (talk) 07:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - probably could be merged with Arabic poetry per nom, but has additional notability from D&D which might be enough to let stand. Britannica also deems the subject notable enough to cover with a standalone article. - Indefensible (talk) 01:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Indefensible. The pre-Islamic sha'ir seems to have adequate coverage in tertiary sources, not least of which is course the above-mentioned Britannica. The fact that the word has broader meanings is no obstacle, since articles are not generally about word meanings. That said, I would have no particular objection to a merge. The D&D thing seems pretty peripheral to the topic. -- Visviva (talk) 01:26, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know that the two sources linked here are actually evidence of notability: Neither is an article on the sha'ir—both mention shu'ara' in discussions of Arabic poetry. The Britannica entry does count, but its content is pretty meager. Together these don't seem to me to constitute significant coverage in secondary sources, which are among the criteria for notability. Pathawi (talk) 06:07, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As pointed out, it's recognized by another encyclopedia, Encyclopaedia Britannica, as originally a poet having a supernatural connection. 5Q5|^✉ 12:11, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.