Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Slovaks in Hungary

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The result was Moved to User:Nuujinn/Slovaks in Hungary for rework. Guy (Help!) 16:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Slovaks in Hungary

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Procedural nomination. This article was userfied which I have now had reversed as I follow the views expressed in WP:Userfication that userfication amounts to deletion and so should only be done when deletion would be appropiate and as no speedy delete criteria apply I don't believe it is in this case. Now bringing here to get views on whether this should be deleted. Dpmuk (talk) 13:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Participants may be interested in the discussions here and here. I'll also note that the creator of the article is indef blocked and cannot speak here for his article: someone may want to transfer any comments he may have on his talk page. ~~Finally, the nominator does not seem to have notified the article's creator of the AfD.~~ Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're right I hadn't yet got round to notifying people. Now done. Dpmuk (talk) 14:09, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Writing it from scratch would be easier I took a quick look at it, but it's awful. For example the user added what appears to be a 1915 reader letter to the NYT as a "source". The topic itself is relevant though, writing a new article would be easier than dealing with this mess. Squash Racket (talk) 14:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've dropped notices on the talk pages of WikiProject Slovakia and WikiProject Hungary. Beyond My Ken (talk) 14:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Slovakia-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. —Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 15:03, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this. Whether the subject is possible to cover within our policies or not, this article, a monograph, fails WP:SYN and WP:RS, plus almost certainly WP:NPOV (as tagged) after a second read-through, and is also in very poor English right from the outset - "Slovaks in present day Hungary are hangover of multiethnical Hungarian Kingdom". It was userfied to allow the author to repair these issues but it has been moved back to mainspace. Guy (Help!) 15:26, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete(I changed this from my original vote Userfy after seeing it was already done once before and moved back) This is the best solution right now. There is no prejudice against the notability of the topic and it removes the article from mainspace in it's current form. The topic is notable but a scope should be set also. Should it focus on more on present day, or be a history focused one etc. So a delete without prejudice towards the topic/userfy seems the best option here. Hobartimus (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and userfy, it's badly written but the topic seems reasonable. --Nuujinn (talk) 15:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I would have no problem with a userfy close. I'm just of the opinion that userfication should occur after an AfD not before hence the reason I restored it to main space. As the creator is currently blocked it would seem pointless to userify there but the other edit involved may want it userified although they've yet to comment. Dpmuk (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note. The author of the article has been indef blocked. Pcap ping 15:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Incubate or delete. There's no point in userfying this, because its author can no longer work on it here. The article is written in badly broken English, so it's hard to follow. Given the ethnic slurs that its author liberally used, POV is an obvious issue. The topic is potentially encyclopedic, but the current contents is not. Moving it to the WP:INCUBATOR might be a good idea. If nobody else is willing to work on it, just delete. Pcap ping 15:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment It can be put in my userspace if no one else is interested in having it. --Nuujinn (talk) 15:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about creating a harmless stub? Slovaks are one of the largest minorities in Hungary.European Commission --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 16:16, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, if no one objects be bold and strip it down. We can come back later and pull anything salvagable from the history. --Nuujinn (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.