Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stuart Bascombe

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The result was keep. Keep by consensus after improvements. Drmies (talk) 22:44, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stuart Bascombe

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WP:BLP of a musician and actor, not reliably sourced as getting over our notability criteria for musicians or actors. The primary notability claim as a musician is that he was a member of a band who certainly clear NMUSIC as a band, but the band's notability does not automatically guarantee the standalone notability of every individual band member: to be notable enough for his own standalone BLP as a separate topic from the band, he would have to redemonstrate that he has notability independent of the band: solo albums, coverage that was specifically about him rather than just mentioning his name in the process of being about the band, and on and so forth — and as an actor, his only discernible notability claim is that he's had a couple of supporting or extra roles, which is also not an instant notability freebie. And as for the footnotes, the reliable sources here are entirely about the band, while every single reference for anything else is a primary source (user-generated content on Facebook or Twitter, the self-published websites of organizations that he's directly affiliated with, etc.) that is not support for notability at all. This is not how you make a musician or an actor notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have added Bascombe's songwriters credits to the article. Will continue to try to improve the article. Vannessajg (talk) 19:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Listing songwriting credits isn't what's going to make the difference. Showing a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source media coverage about him, existing independently of his name merely being mentioned in coverage about the band, is what's going to make the difference. Bearcat (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Like all Classic Soul/R&B groups of the 1970's and 1980's. The name of the group is what identify the artists in the groups as well. The groups/singers/artists of that era have become legendary. For instance, Al Goodman of Ray, Goodman & Brown (AKA The Moments) never had a solo career, however he has a stand alone Wikipedia page. Robert "Squirrel" Lester of The Chi-Lites, never had a solo career and he has a stand alone page. Bubba Knight of Gladys Knight & The Pips didn't have a solo career, and he has a stand alone page and all of the sources that are referenced on his page are linked to Gladys Knight & The Pips articles. Randy Cain of The Delfonics has a stand alone page as well. My point is that the names I mentioned go hand in hand with the groups they are in. In the classic soul/R&B world the group members are known by name and/or group. Preserving their names are just as important as preserving the groups name, due to having paved the way for artists today.

Please let me know which links are directly going to the subjects twitter, Facebook and website pages. I did have the organization's link that he is a board member of just to show he was a member. I have since removed that. I was trying to make sure that I didn't use Stuart Bascombe's or Black Ivory's websites, FB and twitter pages. I am new to editing and creating pages, so I may be using the wrong sites for references. Thanking you in advance. Vannessajg (talk) 02:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing. --Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Logs: 2020-05 ✗ R2, 2020-05 move to → Draft:Stuart Bascombe

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Stifle (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this is sourced and while it could be a lot shorter I think it'd be wrong to wipe it from Wiki. Balle010 (talk) 16:57, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or redirect > Black Ivory.Djflem (talk) 16:30, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At the suggestion of Balle010, I shortened the article by removing the acting and songwriter credits sections.Vannessajg (talk) 05:40, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have cleaned it somewhat but could do with more as a majority of sources are listing sites. But reported to be occasionally brilliant. Noteworthy. scope_creep^Talk 22:43, 15 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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