Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Killian Curse

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. General theme seems to be, poor article, but clearly notable. (non-admin closure) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:01, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Killian Curse

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Deprodded for being a nationally broadcast TV series, but I found literally zero sources. Just placeholder directory listings and fansites. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:33, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep broadcast on NZ 2nd national TV station and on Australia national TV so there are likely to be sources if only offline such as this here which is only available in NZ libraries. They also made a third series in 2014 which is detailed here This primary source shows it was screened in Australia here , this source shows national TV in NZ here Reviews are probably offline or paywalled Atlantic306 (talk) 18:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Atlantic306: So basically you scraped together some trivial passing mentions and admit the rest are "probably" offline. WP:BURDEN. Also, sources belong in the article, not in the AFD. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Aired on a national television network for two seasons, passes for me. Nate • (chatter) 00:29, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mrschimpf: Even if there is literally zero coverage? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete~~Keep~~ but needs serious improvement. Per Nate, it aired on a national TV network and we can prove it exists and is not a hoax, the only question seems to be the substance of sourcing. Chetsford (talk) 07:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Chetsford: You just admitted there is no sourcing, yet it's notable anyway? On what planet do you live? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:21, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

TenPoundHammer - thanks for the ping. I was evaluating two AfDs simultaneously when I wrote this and must have been scanning the incorrect tab. You're correct; I've modified my !vote accordingly. Chetsford (talk) 21:26, 17 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment: The source I first added can only be viewed in NZ libraries and is directly about the series so you cannot say it is a passing mention as you can't see it , it is only available offline, the source about the third series is an article directly about it and is therefore significant content. Adding references to the article can also be done by the nominator and is as much up to them as anyone else and sources are included in every discussion. Atlantic306 (talk) 13:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having said that, if the article is kept I will add references to the article Atlantic306 (talk) 17:50, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, won one national award, was nominated for another. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 21:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per SarekOfVulcan. XOR'easter (talk) 21:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Winning "Achievement in Sound Design in General Television" in the Qantas Film and Television Awards 2008 does not show notability. WP:TVSHOW states:

Generally, an individual radio or television program is likely to be notable if it airs on a network of radio or television stations (either national or regional in scope), or on a cable television channel with a broad regional or national audience. It is far less likely to be notable if it airs in only one local media market.

In either case, however, the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone. For instance, a purely local talk radio program might be notable enough for inclusion if it played a solidly sourceable role in exposing a major political scandal, and a national television program might not be notable if it was cancelled too quickly to have garnered any media coverage.

Reliable sources do not need to be accessible online (although that may be more useful to Wikipedia users), so bibliographic cites to offline authoritative references would suffice. However reliable sources are needed to support notability.--Rpclod (talk) 03:25, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.