Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trenton Oldfield

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to The Boat Race#Notable races since 2000. There was unanimity amongst the commentators that the subject fails notability requirements and that this is a clear case of WP:BLP1E. No content was merged into The Boat Race page and consequently there is no need to maintain the history. Finally, there is the question as to whether a redirect should be created. Rather different considerations apply to the creation of redirects over the creation of articles. The guidelines are at WP:R. As I see it there are two tests; is the redirect a plausible search term? and is there sufficient useful information at the target? Trenton Oldfield has been mentioned by name in a tranche of reliable sources and I see it as being entirely plausible that readers might come here searching for information on him. His name is included at the target and there is, in my view, sufficient content at the target to make the redirect useful. I am not seeing any convincing policy-based arguments against the redirect in the discussion; hence I am making one. TerriersFan (talk) 02:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Trenton Oldfield

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WP:BLP1E - Let's not legitimize attempts at attention whoring. --Bongwarrior (talk) 11:19, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is a classic case of WP:BLP1E - everything that needs to be said is already said in the main The Boat Race article. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 11:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I created the redirect as a plausable search term. Suggest redirecting back to the original target and locking. Lugnuts (talk) 12:32, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Classic BLP1E. I'd rather avoid keeping as a redirect unless there's a clear case that it's going to be useful to readers. --Michig (talk) 13:31, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I see no reason to legitimise this, but probably needs to be kept as redirect to the Boat Race. His previous work is NN from a WP POV and his famous act is a one-off - so far. I hope it stays this way. Ringbark (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as in original. Cusop Dingle (talk) 18:29, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
... or more specifically, Redirect to the relevant section, The_Boat_Race#2012_disruption_and_restart. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
redirect to the Boat race. This is clearly a crank, who will get his deserts in due course. protect the redirect from editing. WP:NOTNEWS applies: this is a classic case of a news story. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (to the relevant section of The Boat Race). BLP1E certainly applies - 48 hours ago, this person was in no way notable - but such is the controversy surrounding this year's event that his name is unlikely to fade away quickly. I agree that the redirect should also be protected. Super Mario Man 21:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — WP:BLP1E — Jonathan Bowen (talk) 21:56, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete typical WP:BLP1E . LibStar (talk) 01:07, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Textbook example of WP:BLP1E. WWGB (talk) 01:10, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Wikipedia is wp:not a biography of idiots. Strongly oppose redirect on account of it being an implausible search term for users seeking information about The Boat Race.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 06:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly, the evidence is against your first proposition ... the redirect would be for people looking for information on Trenton Oldfield, which seems likely at present. Cusop Dingle (talk) 06:39, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note the section proposed as a target above has been renamed/merged and the relevant information is now in the section ~~The Boat Race#Other notable races in recent years~~. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Renamed again to The Boat Race#Notable races since 2000. Thryduulf (talk) 10:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the relevant section of The Boat Race, or maybe even better, start a new article specifically about the 2012 Boat Race, to which any amount of (suitably sourced) trivia could then be added without imbalancing the main Boat Race article (which is supposed to cover 158 such races and counting).--Victor Yus (talk) 13:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. WP:BLP1E states: "WP:BLP1E should be applied only to biographies of low-profile individuals." WP:LOWPROFILE (essay, not policy) states: "Persons who actively seek out media attention are not low-profile." Therefore, as strictly written, we should not rely on WP:BLP1E. However, we also have WP:1E: "The general rule in many cases is to cover the event, not the person." By the way, Trenton Oldfield was not solely responsible for the outcome. He did not directly cause the clash of oars. I would be content with a redirect to the event. – Wdchk (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note the idea of having a separate article for the 2012 race, and generally for the Boat Race per year or per decade, is being discussed at Talk:The Boat Race. Victor Yus (talk) 19:34, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, textbook case of WP:ONEEVENT. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 00:30, 11 April 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Redirect to The Boat Race#Notable races since 2000, where he is mentioned. Agreed with all above that this is a case of WP:BLP1E and a person who does not yet pass our notability standards. Robofish (talk) 13:00, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.