Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/War in Ukraine 2023

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 13:56, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

War in Ukraine 2023

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A well-intentioned effort, but the war isn't fought on a year-by-year basis, and we already have a series of timelines giving the chronological overview; the current one is Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine: phase 4, and a new one will be created when necessary. Fram (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, and Ukraine. Fram (talk) 10:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

- Note, however, that there's dispute about dividing info by "phases" being subjective, as opposed to dividing by year break which is objective. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine: phase 4 going on now! And perhaps comment there. --Doncram (talk,contribs) 19:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would agree with Fram's reasoning. This would be an arbitrary split based upon editor opinion rather than one supported by RSs. Cinderella157 (talk) 11:31, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete − while I dislike the "phase" structure of our timeline articles for the war (I'm sceptical such divisions are clearly supported by academic/expert sources at this time) the solution isnt creating separate "main" articles for the war in different time periods. There should just be one main article for the war spanning its entire timeframe; either "Russia−Ukraine war" or "Russian invasion of Ukraine" (we still haven't had a source-based discussion over which is more suitable, and whether or not sources treat the escalation in 2022 as a "separate"/distinct war). Jr8825 • Talk 12:38, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:57, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Slatersteven is a long-standing editor. I am surprised they would think this was a good idea. Feels like some kind of experiment. Super Ψ Dro 14:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - As stated in the nomination for deletion. After all, if needed, one might create a separate section in the main article about the war, there is no need to write a new article on each year of the conflict. ThegaBolt (talk) 15:47, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with the explanation. It's the same war, not a series of distinct conflicts. Oaktree b (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like WP:SNOW is picking up quickly here. - "Ghost of Dan Gurney" ^{(work / talk)} 22:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - agree with Fram, could redirect to the main war article.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 03:18, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 15:08, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with above, it seems more like an update that should be on a more complete history of the war. Kleebis007 (talk) 4:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Kommentar: Hey, this seems harsh, and it seems too easy to bash the creating editor without addressing what they were trying to get at. How about discussing briefly here:

What about the fact that the main article, 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, now has title that doesn't quite work. Should that be moved?
Just asserting the existing division of info is working, is kinda false, given that there's dispute about dividing info by "phases" being subjective, as opposed to dividing by year break which is objective. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine: phase 4 going on now! Put that in yer pipe and smoke it!
Note it is well-established in Wikipedia that it makes sense to split articles including list-articles into segments, and dividing by year is eminently sensible! It does not require academic agreement that there is a logically different "phase" starting on January 1 (although I see that the article does assert something like that, as if trying to justify the break). It is way better to divide a list of events by year, say, which keeps chronologically close things together. As opposed to so how many lists have been divided "alphabetically", e.g. A-C D-F G-N etc., which I have seen in lists of Liberty ships, lists of historic places (which better should be divided by country or geographic area), and many other.

Stop harshing without saying anything positive or constructive!

Don't just pile on, give the editor a break. Or is your point to run up your count of AFD deletions that you tally up and report somewhere??? --Doncram (talk,contribs) 19:10, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw Nomination: I have to agree with Doncram, This honestly does feel like a bunch of dogpiling. Great Mercian (talk) 10:05, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I see one comment that is somewhat negative about the article creator. The post by Doncram though is a lot more negative and personal than the Afd was otherwise (something like "Or is your point to run up your count of AFD deletions that you tally up and report somewhere???" is completely unwarranted). I see no reason to withdraw this nomination, certainly not another AfD which seems to be heading for a keep anyway, and also not the behaviour of the "delete" supporters in this AfD. Fram (talk) 08:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For the moment Redirect to Timeline of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine: phase 4, which is doing the job much better than this article. IN due course we can expect some event, which will be a new phase and warrant the start of a new timeline article. Possibly the latest timeline article need renaming to reflect that it is continuing into 2023. The change in year certainly does not mark a new phase in the war. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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