Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wie Wahrnehmung sich erfindet (2nd nomination)

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The result was redirect to Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel. – Joe (talk) 20:26, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wie Wahrnehmung sich erfindet

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Stub, one line article. Possibly non notable book. Suggest redirecting to ~~Herta Müller~~Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. No references used. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 18:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article is apparently a subsection of Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel so should definately be redirected into that article. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 21:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 18:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Romania-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 18:01, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Satisfies criteria 5 of the guideline WP:NBOOK. The author won a nobel prize for literature. You can't use an essay to reject a guideline, especially when the essay is garbage. James500 (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You do realize the guidelines also states "This is not an absolute guarantee that there will necessarily be a separate, stand-alone article entirely dedicated to that book. Editors may use their discretion to merge or group two or more related topics into a single article."" --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 11:05, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:NBOOK #5. SportingFlyer talk 06:49, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the author's article. These micro bot-stubs do not serve a purpose. -- » Shadowowl | talk 12:38, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect ~~to Herta Müller~~. "Wie Wahrnehmung sich erfindet" is the subtitle of Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel, which makes it a little unclear that it's a separate book at all. All the top Google hits for this in quotes are about Der Teufel. German Wikipedia doesn't have an article for either book and their article about the author, which is more detailed than our own, doesn't mention Wie Wahrnehmung sich erfindet except as a subtitle. If it is a standalone book then, despite WP:NBOOK #5, a standalone article isn't the best way to organise the information, in my view, unless and until we have more to say about it than this stub. I wasn't able to find sources with which to do that. Mortee (talk) 18:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- The redirect should be to Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel, the collection which contains this lecture series, and takes its name as a subtitle. Mortee (talk) 21:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep as the nomination does not request deletion. As for the topic, this source, explains that it was a series of lectures which were subsequently published. Per WP:BEFORE, nominators should establish the nature of the topic before starting another page just so that other editors are made to explain the matter to them. As James500 explained, the fact that the author is a Nobel-winner, is enough. AfD is not cleanup. Andrew D. (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You can easily merge it to the author's page. There's no references used in the article. Plus, there's no indication she won it on /that/ book. Plus the page is just a stub and tells nothing of the book. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 20:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Andrew D.. The source you mentioned is useful, thank you. It's good to know that Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel contains Wie Wahrnehmung sich erfindet, hence the subtitle. I still haven't found anything substantial about the lectures separate from Der Teufel, though, so I still vote for a redirect (to Der Teufel, not to Herta Müller - I've corrected my !vote). The lectures can be discussed there unless/until that section outgrows the main article. Mortee (talk) 21:40, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So this article is about a section of a book? --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 21:45, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems to be. That's why I think it should be redirected to the book it's in. Mortee (talk) 21:46, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. I was initially under the impression it was just a non-notable book by a notable author. But if it's just a subsection, it should definitely be redirected into the main book. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 21:50, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to be WP:BOLD and redirect it into Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 21:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted. The discussion has several keeps already, so redirecting is not really appropriate right now. WP:BOLD doesn't really apply when it's already under discussion. ansh 666 00:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was redirecting to the main book and not the author as Mortee suggests. --Tyw7 (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 00:42, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel as a categorized {{R to related topic}}. This book/essay is part of a series of poetry lectures (poetologischen Vorlesungen) that makes up the target, Der Teufel sitzt im Spiegel, interspersed with verbal collages. Sam Sailor 15:33, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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