Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/World Martial Arts Games (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Barkeep49 (talk) 22:55, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

World Martial Arts Games

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There is no indication that this is a notable martial arts event. I found no coverage that is not from the sponsoring organization or local coverage saying that "so and so will be competing at the World Martial Arts Games" or local coverage in the host city talking about this upcoming event. There is no significant independent coverage which is required to meet the GNG. Sandals1 (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Sandals1 (talk) 01:36, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:11, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 14:26, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am confused by the no consensus last time, it looks to me like it should of been deleted. I don't see how this passes WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The original AfD was closed by a non-admin by mistake. Non-admins are only supposed to close non-controversial discussions, which this clearly was not. Papaursa (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Significant third party coverage for this event is easily locatable, e.g. United Nations, national body coverage from China, Russia, South Africa, Turkmenistan. I also think the volume of local news coverage itself is significant, as this event is mostly about broadening sports participation in general rather than being the undisputed pinnacle competition for elite martial artists. If the topic warrants time in a Russian President's schedule, then it is same to assume it has achieved general notability. SFB 18:25, 14 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that these show significant independent coverage. The U.N. release is not unusual for politicians, especially when it's for an event in the Secretary-General's home town. The China article is from the Games' founder's visit to China to promote China's participation in wushu events. The Russian, South African, and Turkmenistan articles tout each country's medal winnings--all of which seems like routine sports reporting and WP:NOTNEWS. The Russian president made time because apparently Russian won the most medals and he used the occasion to promote Russia and its values (which is his job).Sandals1 (talk) 14:22, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

That point could be made about any sporting event. Countries, their media and their politicians do not tend to give time and coverage to sports events that do not concern their nation or its people. SFB 19:38, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree that there is not sufficient independent, significant coverage in reliable sources to accept the notability of this competition. Furthermore, despite the previous AfD having a dozen sources that supposedly showed notability, none of those sources have made their way into the article. Every currently used source in this article is to the games' website. Looking around the web, I am seeing more uses of this event's title for describing other events than for this event. Rockphed (talk) 12:08, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I did a web search for sources, again. What I found wasn't really different from the first discussion. Sources either weren't independent or were local stories of athletes (overwhelmingly kids) competing at one of the events. I don't believe these are the type of references that suffice to meet WP:GNG. Combining those with routine sports coverage doesn't make these events WP notable. The splitting of the original organization, having multiple events, and titles that overlap with other organizations makes this even harder to follow--especially with no documentation. Papaursa (talk) 20:43, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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