Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/YMCA Camp Wanakita

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. from discussion it appears it can meet notability, AfD is not cleanup, with that being said, article should be cleaned up and sourcing improved wherever possible. Tawker (talk) 06:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

YMCA Camp Wanakita

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No evidence of notability. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:54, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: There are 200,000 people who have benefited from the camp's programs and it is frequently mentioned in the news publications of the surrounding cities. The article has 15 citations and evidence for some of the uncited statements can be inferred from the 7 public domain images that I included.

There are 32 YMCA Summer Camps with Wikipedia articles and the highest quality ones are Camp Ralph S. Mason, YMCA Camp Wanakita and YMCA Camp Fitch on Lake Erie. Deleting articles in the top three would set the precedent that summer camps cannot be covered on Wikipedia at all. The last thing this site needs is further indication that its user base has no interest in outdoor activities. Connor Behan (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment You appear to have been on Wikipedia for a while, so you must know that 200,000 people benefiting from something is not a criteria for inclusion per WP:ITSUSEFUL, nor is the number of other articles on the same topic, per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Does it satisfy WP:GNG? I'm not sure but it actually does not have 15 citations. It has one, the Spectator article. The rest are affiliated with the camp and therefore do not satisfy WP:RS. freshacconci talk to me 00:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I counted 9 sources directly affiliated with the camp. These were for things that had a fairly low burden of proof like the length of the swimming pool. Nevertheless, I added 4 secondary sources to the article today. I also found sources connecting Wanakita to Camp Rock and Jeremy Fisher, so I might add those later. Normally I am a deletionist, but objective camp information in the form of images and prose is not pointless trivia. It's something that sets a good example for all the crappy point-form articles out there. Connor Behan (talk) 07:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Notable. --do ncr am 08:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's a little long and overly detailed. It also has a non-neutral tone to it and I have tagged it accordingly. But none of that is fatal. The subject clearly meets WP:GNG. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have made a post on the talk page about this. Connor Behan (talk) 09:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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