Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zipota

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 07:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Zipota

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I PROD'd this May 12th on Notability grounds and that was contested a few days later. It was just PROD'd again. Submitting to AfD to get some broader consensus. Peter Rehse (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 09:27, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the headsup Peter. As I said on the talk page, I don't have any personal stake in the topic other than my general interest in Basque culture which brought me to this article when it was in pretty odd shape. I agree that it needs expanding with reliable sources but I don't have them (i.e. beyond what I've already used in the article), I've already done the best I can in that regard. My take on it is that it's a rather marginal sport with a mythologising terminology. But on the other hand it seems to be prominent enough to keep cropping up, including some printed sources. So in the interest both of general information and preventing misinformation, I'm for keeping this article. Wikipedia is the first place a confused cybernaut is going to come. Given the number of pages for schools in Malaysia and sports pages such as Cow tipping, I think that's reasonable. Akerbeltz (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't find anything to show this is a notable martial art. All but one of the article's sources deal with the etymology of the words, not the art itself. The article's only source about the art is the 2001 version of Green's 'Martial Arts of the World' and I couldn't find zipota or zipote in the 2010 edition. I couldn't find any independent reliable sources that show this art meets the notability criteria of WP:MANOTE. Jakejr (talk) 18:44, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: In a way that's my fault. When I first came across the article, it made excessive use of martial arts websites to reference material, if you look at this old version [1] there's at least two "items", the International Guild of Danse De Rue Savate (pass as to notability) and the obituary of this Isidro Chapa guy. As I wasn't sure about how such martial arts sites were seen as sources on Wikipedia and as the article was full of crazy claims and no inline cites, I stripped a lot of that. Perhaps I shouldn't have stripped it all. Akerbeltz (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on Comments: I just saw I hadn't actually deleted the links. I just haven't used them to ref anything. Akerbeltz (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 03:36, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't find any significant independent coverage of this martial art. People in online fourms keep saying it's Basque, but I'm unaware of a strong Basque culture in Texas. The use of similar terminology is not enough to show this is a notable martial art. In fact, it makes it look like an attempt to obtain notability from an established art (WP:NOTINHERITED). If there are solid independent sources linking zipota and savate, then perhaps this article could be merged into Savate. Papaursa (talk) 01:28, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.