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Category:People from Dublin to Category:Dubliners (city)

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The result of the debate was Reverse merge --Cyde↔Weys 15:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC) I have no preference which way these categories are merged, though I've proposed a merge to the larger category. - EurekaLott 23:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lists of schools sharing the same name to Category:Educational institution disambiguation

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The result of the debate was Rename --Cyde↔Weys 15:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC) The category name implies that it will be populated with lists of schools. However, it is populated with the schools themselves. So it should at least become Category:Schools sharing the same name. But the template that adds this category says it's also for colleges and other educational institutions. Thus, I propose the accepted generic name instead of schools Usgnus 22:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC) (edit: added the word "also" -- Usgnus 14:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Modified. I was confused. These are disambiguation pages, so they are indeed lists. I still think it should be renamed, but I changed the proposal. I am going to notify the below two people directly. -- Usgnus 04:51, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Rename, A college is a school, but "Educational institution disambiguation" is a shorter name, so it's fine by me. And since it's part of a template, it requires only two edits and one deletion to change it. — Jun. 15, '06 [21:48] <freak|talk>
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Category:Wikipedia articles that need their importance to be explained to...

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Wikipedia articles whose topics' importance is unclear. Conscious 14:48, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

..."Category:Wikipedia articles whose topics' [notability/importance] is unclear" as more accurate...? David Kernow 21:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC), amended 15:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Revisiting this nom, I agree – so have amended it accordingly and vote:
  • Rename using either "notability" or "importance" as nom. If the proposal is accepted, I'll reword the preface. David Kernow 02:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC), amended 15:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Rename to ...importance... Looking throught the policies there seems to be on-going uncertainty about the "proposed" guideline Importance WP:IMP the "essay" on notability WP:N and the various guidelines on specific notabilities. Notability and Inportance seem to have different definitions so I do not think these should be exchanged until the policies/guidelines themselves are cleared up. AndrewRT 12:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arrested Development (TV series) to Category:Arrested Development

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The result of the debate was Rename. Vegaswikian 05:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Over-disambiguation -- simpler to use Category:Arrested Development, and it would bring this into line with other TV shows (e.g. Category:Seinfeld, Category:South Park, Category:Curb Your Enthusiasm, Category:Family Guy, Category:Daria, etc.). Dylan 21:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Free IRC clients to Category:Free IRC and instant messaging software

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The result of the debate was Relisted on June 18. Vegaswikian 07:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no category for instant messaging free software, and if one was made, the majority of articles would overlap with the existing "Free IRC category" category. The technologies are very similar and many modern implementation of either technology implement both technologies. Putting both in one slightly broader category makes more sense than having two smaller categories with large duplication. Gronky 20:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Men by nationality and subcategories

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Disaster movies to Category:Disaster films

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The result of the debate was no consensus. Conscious 14:54, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category needs to be renamed to Disaster films to bring it inline with the naming convention of film based items on Wikipedia. Also, the other language categories already have film in their titles, da:Kategori:Katastrofefilm, de:Kategorie:Katastrophenfilm, fr:Catégorie:Film catastrophe, nl:Categorie:Rampenfilm, no:Kategori:Katastrofefilmer, and sv:Kategori:Katastroffilmer. This category should be inline with the international standard. Since the word film appears in the other language categories, this one should have film in its title.
&#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 20:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I've withdrawn my opposition because a google search of "Disaster Movie" "Disaster Film" results in numerous hits from mainstream newspapers where both terms are used interchangebly with the same article. So it seems that even though Disaster Movie may be more common the term Disaster Film is far from unknown and it is reasonable to follow the convention in this case. I don't think it is necessary to do so however, so I'm not going to support it either. --JeffW 18:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is a naming convention. The naming convention should ALWAYS be followed, no matter normal usage, Google hits, or whatever other reasons. The naming convention standardizes and unifies category names. The naming convention brings uniformity. The fact that there are categories still out there that defy the naming convention is outrageous to me. I didn't make or take part in the original debates for the convention, but I will fight to make sure that it is followed. Categories and article titles that defy the naming convention are an eyesore and should be renamed immediately, no questions asked.
    &#151;Lady Aleena talk/contribs 00:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, but a naming convention is mostly for the convenience of Wikipedia editors. People who only occasionally use Wikipedia will search using the name they know best. Ordinary users should not have to learn a naming convention in order to find what they're looking for. --JeffW 02:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • bzzzt, wrong. film and movie are completely interchangeable in this sense. An argument of confusion is totally wrong. No one will get lost, no one will not find an article, at all, if this rename goes through. Find me one person who would be confused at the name "disaster film" and not know what you are talking about. Also, most readers come across articles first, not categories. -- Ned Scott 00:18, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per NC. I live in the US, all my life, and film is equal to movie in my usage and the usage I observe in modern society and pop culture. Which is more used is marginal and hardly significant. Because both are equally good, we should use consistency and follow the naming conventions. Why any of the editors are opposing is beyond me. The reason we use "common" names is only to avoid confusion, and this will not cause any confusion whatsoever. And, like I said, which is more common is marginal and irrelevant, so naming conventions is the tie breaker. -- Ned Scott 01:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, for the sake of consensus I believe a great deal of the movie -> film moves that were passed on May 23 should also be taken into consideration. These were supported, why not this? Although I do agree with Road movies as a unique term. -- Ned Scott 01:35, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be more accurate about my above comments, what actually comes to my mind is disaster flick, horror flick, action flick, etc. So if you really want to start such a silly argument, maybe we should put *flick in the runnings for a potential category naming convention as well. -- Ned Scott 04:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Latino issues to Category:Latino civil rights

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Latino civil rights activists. Conscious 14:58, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why do we have this category when there is already a Category:Hispanic American history?--Rockero 19:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, but "issues" is so vague. "Latino issues" are the same issues as everybody else's issues (education, health, etc.) The are only a few issues that are of particular importance to Latinos, such as bilingual education and immigration, and these aren't the types of articles that are populating this category.
Currently, the cat holds 2 orgs, one movement, and the rest are individuals (mostly labor leaders). Maybe we can create a categorization system that is more specific. There is already Category:Latino-based organizations, Category:American labor leaders, and Category:Mexican American leaders. Maybe we can just tweak some existing categories to accomodate the articles currently in this category? And possibly create a new supercat of Latinos in the United States?--Rockero 20:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about Category:Latino civil rights activists? I don't know if there is any such thing as "Latino rights", which is the impression the title you suggest creates.--Rockero 21:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Other possibilities: Category:Latino activists, Category:American Latino activists, or Category:Latino activists in the United States.--Rockero 21:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Buildings and structures in Ireland

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The result of the debate was keep. Conscious 15:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Buildings and structures are categorized by country (Buildings and structures by country), but Ireland in Wikipedia is the island. From the article: It is composed of the Republic of Ireland (officially named Ireland), a state which covers five-sixths of the island (south, east, west and north-west), and Northern Ireland; part of the United Kingdom, which covers the northeastern sixth of the island. Note that the category Buildings and structures in the Republic of Ireland also exists. LeRoi 13:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose nomination as currently structured. I agree in principal, but simply deleting this one category is adequate or helpful. It is necessary to reallocate all the articles in advance and/or rename the subcategories at the same time. Calsicol 16:45, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move article and then delete Keep, you can always do a subcat after EurekaLott's change of parent cat. Agathoclea 16:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Many of the subcategories would need to be addressed for any action to make sense. Also, please note that Category:Ireland and the similar Category:Korea do serve a purpose. For what it's worth, I moved the category from Category:Buildings and structures by country to Category:Buildings and structures in Europe. - EurekaLott 21:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems that User:Ardfern has virtually emptied this category and removed all of its subcategories. It currently bears little resemblance to how it looked when nominated. - EurekaLott 21:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had been trying to bring some order to Irish categorisation which has apparently been undisciplined and is all over the place. Much of this is due to the way that cats (not only buildings and structures but many others) are often duplicated between Republic of Ireland and Ireland (as a whole), with the only difference being the addition of Northern Ireland cats in the Ireland one. This is very confusing for writers and worse for readers. I would be happier if the whole area was categorised Republic of Ireland only, as Northern Ireland has separate categorisation for everything and is more naturally accessed through typing Northern Ireland. How do we get an agreed approach to this, before anyone wastes any more time??? Otherwise propose separate Buildings and structures of Republic of Ireland and separate Buildings and structures of Northern Ireland, which could both be categorised under Buildings and structures of Ireland. I would further propose the same approach for all Republic of Ireland, Ireland and Northern Ireland cats. How does this get taken foreward?? Ardfern 22:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Music file formats to Category:Music notation file formats

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The result of the debate was rename. Conscious 15:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

- Proposed name more accurately reflects category content. 67.171.31.165 10:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Is MIDI a music notation format?  So far as I'm aware, it's a data format for sequences of events (in music) which may then be used to create music notation, but is not itself a notation format... Anyone else?  Regards, David Kernow 02:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is sort of in-between. It is not designed primarily for music notation in mind. It does however uses musical notes from the western chromatic scale as the unit of sound (compared with, say, .MODs whose units of sound are actual sound samples). The MIDI file format also does provide support, thru meta-events, for storing certain types of musical information not directly involved with sound production, such as time signature [1], key signature [2], lyrics text [3], etc. Many music notation software will support importing from and exporint to MIDIs, though nearly all use their own proprietary format as the preferred format, since many notational properties are not representable in MIDI.
Anyway, that's besides the scope of the category renaming. 67.170.72.189 05:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Droseraceae to Category:Drosera

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The result of the debate was Keep. Vegaswikian 07:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only member of this category, Sundew, can be safely moved to Category:Drosera. Conscious 09:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:RoboCop directors

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The result of the debate was Delete --William Allen Simpson 05:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There aren't nearly enough of these to make it anywhere near worth keeping. Dakart 08:57, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedians by marital status

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The result of the debate was Delete (9d:4k) including unnamed nominator; but sort, as both married and single were kept (no consensus) --William Allen Simpson 14:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting from May 31 after tagging subcategories. Please note that Category:Married Wikipedians is already listed under June 7, and Category:Single Wikipedians is already listed under June 4. Conscious 08:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If WP is not a social club, are these really appropriate? 132.205.93.89 21:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Michigan Tech alumni to Category:Michigan Technological University ice hockey players

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Michigan Tech Huskies ice hockey players. - EurekaLott 18:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The category descripton says "This is a list of players who played College hockey for Michigan Technological University in the NCAA", so it must be renamed to reflect this. I don't insist on this name, but the purpose of the category must be made clear. Conscious 07:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Muslim Travellers

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The result of the debate was Rename to Category:Muslim travel writers while pending deletion of all Category:Muslims by profession, and include (reverse merge) all Category:Muslim explorers. All good Muslims travel to Mecca at least once in their lifetimes. Merely travelling is not notable. --William Allen Simpson 18:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The category is not well-defined. Does it take to be a Muslim and to go somewhere to be included? (If it turns out the category makes sense, please rename to "travellers"). Conscious 07:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Nepenthaceae to Category:Nepenthes

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The result of the debate was No action taken --Cyde↔Weys 18:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC) The former category contains nothing but Template:Nepenthes. Conscious 06:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Lists of Airports

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 05:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a category, saved former text as List of airports in England. -- ProveIt (talk) 05:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Polish historical departments (1806-1815)

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The result of the debate was Delete (empty) --William Allen Simpson 05:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This category refers to the Duchy of Warsaw, which was formed in 1807, not 1806. It has been replaced by Category:Departments of the Duchy of Warsaw. Appleseed (Talk) 02:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives for Bennelong

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The result of the debate was Delete. Vegaswikian 05:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This list will never go beyond two people at least for the near future. It's fairly redundant. I completely agree with a list of members of Parliament in Australia (which exists), but one for every seat seems a bit pointless. I think this should be deleted. (JROBBO 01:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC))[reply]

  • Keep unless all others in the Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by Division are also deleted --William Allen Simpson 01:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete ALL of these categories. None are ever going to have more than a very small number of entries. Division names and boundaries change. For example, there are two categories for the current NT divisions, each with one entry. There is no category for the previous single seat, but even that would only have a very few entries. It would make it even more complex if all previous divisions were given categories. Categories that only include a few entries are useless. However, delete all or none. It would be considered POV to just delete the one for the Prime MInisters seat. --Bduke 02:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - there is an article for each Division where the members are listed, as well as other information - seems a better way to organise--A Y Arktos\talk 02:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC) - Note I had also meant to add, Delete all similar categories as per User:BDuke--A Y Arktos\talk 12:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- scope too narrow. I try to aim for 6 articles minimum to fill a category, even 8 at times. - Longhair 02:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. I would agree that a category really requires at least six entries, which this won't have for some time. --Roisterer 03:07, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete too narrow parameters to be meaningful.
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Category:Wildlife of Madagascar to Category:Fauna of Madagascar

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The result of the debate was Merge. Vegaswikian 05:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nearly all the other national categories are "Fauna of". I believe the form was agreed on a while back. CalJW 01:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC).[reply]

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Category:Ministers of Australia

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The result of the debate was merge to Category:Government ministers of Australia. Conscious 15:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Government ministers in Australia. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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