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Category:People from Bechtelsville, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small community with just 1 entry. ...William 23:18, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Flash (comics) television series

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I am leaving the merging to the two articles to editors familiar with the topic. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. Delete The category has been emptied out of turn, and cannot be properly evaluated. If the nom would return the pages to the category we could get an idea of whether it was small and unlikely to grow. --Andrewaskew (talk) 00:41, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. However, with just one season and not much information expanded, it should be logical that the main article should merge with List of The Flash episodes. With Category:Flash (comics) television series is currently underpopulated, might as well delete it and put two categories in its place:Category:Television programs based on DC Comics and Category:Flash (comics) in other media.
Thanks. Changing to delete as per WP:SMALLCAT. Andrewaskew (talk) 03:36, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Young Artist Award Winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tokyo University of Agriculture and Technology almuni

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The result of the discussion was: speedy rename WP:C2A (spelling fixes). BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: The category lists graduates of this university and I suspect the creator intended to write alumni and misspelled it by mistake. Dimadick (talk) 14:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Manor, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Has only 3 entries ...William 13:12, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Enola, Pennsylvania

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Has only 3 entries ...William 12:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Faculties in Universiti Teknologi MARA

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The result of the discussion was: delete and merge to Category:Universiti Teknologi MARA. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Delete. We don't create categories for one entry. I don't see the other faculties being notable enough for additional articles. LibStar (talk) 06:19, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American actors of Mexican descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 17:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You may have a point, but to consider those you will have to tag them. Please do that as a seperate nomination. The issue of splitting our Mexicans as a special case is seperate.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep Category:Hispanic and Latino American actors contains a collection of actors of Spanish, Venezuelan, Puerto Rican, Colombia, Dominican and a variety of other Hispanic ethnic identities (European, Caribbean, Central American and South American birth or heritage).
But we have a separate categories for some particular national heritages like Category:Puerto Rican actors, Category:American actors of Chinese descent and Category:American actors of Mexican descent. If we categorize actors based on state Category:American actresses by state, I don't see why there aren't subcategories for actors of Italian, Irish or Korean descent as well. I'm very surprised these categories don't already exist as these would be very useful Liz Read! Talk! 18:19, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We used to have many of these categories but we got rid of them on the argument that the intersection covered there was trivial. You have not tried to argue that Jessica Alba or Edward Albert are at all conditioned by their ethnicity. These intersections are supposed to be more than just trivial intesections. Lastly, the Puerto Rican actors is a very different issue, it is for people from Puerto Rica, and is mainly the equivalent of Category:Mexican actors. We got rid of Category:American actors of Italian descent, Category:American actors of Japanese descent and many others.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 11 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The assertion that this and other such categories are flatly disallowed because they are so-called "trivial intersections" ignores the fact that CAT:EGRS is a guideline -- not a "rule" -- and as such is supposed to reflect a concensus among editors. Clearly, there is no such concensus -- and as a matter of fact, there never has been. There has only been an enforced illusion of "concensus", with the guideline being applied as a straightjacket to smother dissent. Cgingold (talk) 06:47, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So you are saying we should categorize people by trivial intersects. This would lead to a proliferation of trivial cateogries. So will we add Category:American Latter Day Saint actors, Category:American actors of English descent, etc. Is that really what we want?John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Outstanding Performance by an Ensemble in a Drama Series Screen Actors Guild Award winners

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The result of the discussion was: Relisted to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 19. Dana boomer (talk) 22:49, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really have no clue. I was hoping someone else would give an answer. My best guess is that it is because people figured there was a need to tag some article for winning these awards. Generally I would say awards for organizations and groups are even less likely to be truly notable to the designated entity than awards for individuals. If someone is named teacher of the year for the state of California, that is a much bigger honor, assuming there is only one, than school of the year. Especially since if someone was so designated in 1940, we would assume they were probably a good teacher for most of their career. If a school was so designated in 1940, it might be the lowest performing school in California today.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Libraries in Antarctica

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains one page, which does not mention a library. Could be recreated in the future if it ever ends up being needed. --Andrewaskew (talk) 02:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Commandeurs of the Légion d'honneur

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The result of the discussion was: keep. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:42, 17 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


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Category:GLAAD Media Awards winners

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The result of the discussion was: delete; will place the category at WP:CFDWM for "listification", since editors expressed an interest in doing that. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Being notable is not the criteria for creating award categories. If we categorized by every award that is notable, we would have way, way more category clutter than we now have.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For example we do not categorize people by having won the BET Awards. As I have made clear elsewhere I am of the view we have way too many award categories, but we need to start somewhere to get rid of them.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm not as sure as you are that category clutter is a big problem, I take your point about notability not being the criterion. Changing my "keep" !vote to provisional delete per Peterkingiron's suggestion below. I'm willing to help "listify" it (my god, what a word), although my time will be limited for the next several days. Rivertorch (talk) 04:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We already have lists for the awards made each year e.g. 14th GLAAD Media Awards and GLAAD Davidson/Valentini Award. Peterkingiron (talk) 11:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I checked 12 sample pages from the category, by the selecting the last entry under each of 12 letters of the alphabet. Only 1 case showed any sign of the award being even possibly defining.
So whatever the significance of the award to the wider world, it is clearly not a very significant part of the lives of most of its recipients. This sort of info belongs in a list rather than a category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:33, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per arguments of nom and BHG above. Note: the Megan Mullally article says "She ... appeared in guest-starring roles in television programs such as ... and a GLAAD Award-winning episode of ..." so it's the programme that won the award, not her. DexDor (talk) 18:09, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The fact that the award itself is notable doesn't necessarily mean that we need a single catch-all category for everybody who's ever won one. For starters, it's not a single award that's presented in a single domain of achievement, but rather a series of awards presented for different achievements — meaning that this category, as constituted, randomly mixes actors, broadcasters, screenwriters, directors and producers, some of whom won the award for their creative work and others of whom won it for their offscreen activism instead — and there's even one film sitting in this category, to boot. Which is why a category for this is such an exercise in sheer inutility: it's not grouping people by their status as winners of a shared award, but by their status as winners of a diversity of awards whose only common element is the parent organization that granted them. Winning one also isn't a defining characteristic of the recipients, in that, unlike an Emmy or an Oscar or a Pulitzer, it's not an award you would ordinarily expect to see noted right in an article's introductory paragraph. The award lists themselves are sufficient for the necessary purpose. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 08:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Public transportation in the San Fernando Valley Area

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Parent category is Category:Transportation in the San Fernando Valley. Parent page is San Fernando Valley. Area not needed, and violates conventions of having category as short as possible pbp 02:33, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Democratic Republic of Armenia

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 19:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Rename. The article Democratic Republic of Armenia was recently renamed to First Republic of Armenia per consensus. Երևանցի talk 00:28, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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