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Category:Members of the South Dakota Senate

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete . – Fayenatic London 07:00, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I had a brain fart and didn't realize a category for this already existed at Category:South Dakota State Senators, due to the name discrepancy. Sorry - for that reason I'm requesting deletion. :( – TCMemoire 23:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Food industry in India

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The result of the discussion was: merge and left a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not altogether useless, but not the optimal categorization for most listed articles and subcategories. Also not in line with the established standard scheme that offers sufficiently fine-grained categories for each of these articles. PanchoS (talk) 20:04, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support' The wider scope makes sense given the current content of the category. (Note also that we don't have a "food industry by country" subtree and I don't think one would be particularly helpful) Pichpich (talk) 22:48, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Unpretty Rapstar

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge the articles to Category:South Korean reality television series. The subcategory can be left in Category:Participants in South Korean reality television series‎. Consensus is that this category shouldn't really exist, but there was no consensus on how to resolve this and what to do with the subcategory. This is the action which realizes the consensus of getting rid of this category while presenting the smallest departure from the current categorization scheme. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 23:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too little content. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The merger proposal needs additional consideration and we need to decide what (if anything) to do with the subcategory.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 18:17, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Crawfordsville High School faculty

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Small category that is unlikely to grow. Category was created in 2010. TM 18:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Computer optimization

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is not a well-defined category. Does it mean software optimization techniques? Hardware acceleration features? Software optimization techniques that use hardware acceleration features? Its current members fall into all of these categories, and the list is generally anemic. I think it should be deleted. Risc64 (talk) 16:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: previous CfD discussion--Ymblanter (talk) 16:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep Computer optimization includes all the subcategories and hundreds of underlying articles. The fact that the subject is properly subdivided into software optimization, hardware acceleration and network optimization and whatever else in the real world and here in WP is not a problem--it is a fact, just as computing itself is likewise subdivided. Hmains (talk) 20:19, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Hmains and because the nomination has not explained why straight deletion would be more appropriate than an upmerge to Category:Computer performance. DexDor (talk) 05:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Stub category redirects

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete as housekeeping, WP:G6. Thanks for listing these, but they don't need discussion; if you find any more, please use {{db-housekeeping}}. – Fayenatic London 07:32, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Templates have already migrated for these categories. As long as everyone uses stub tags to note stub articles, then no one should ever even notice these categories. No need to keep. Dawynn (talk) 15:39, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pest insects biological control insects

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Insects acting as insect pest control agents. No opposition to this rename, and it's pretty clear everyone at least considers this an improvement, if not ideal. There's no consensus for deletion. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 21:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Cumbersome name currently gives an impression of two separate insect groups. As long as those insects are used to control pest insects, new title might clarify what's going on. Brandmeistertalk 15:15, 9 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It's clear that this category should be renamed, but this requires further discussion on what the name should be.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 15:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The characteristic is mentioned quite often quite prominently in the WP articles of this category, odonata seems to be more like an exception. Having said that about the articles, I have to admit that I don't know if this applies equally to original sources. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:51, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not mentioned prominently (e.g. in the lead paragraph) in the articles I've looked at - e.g. Megarhyssa doesn't mention it at all, Mantis says "mantises do not have key attributes of biological pest control agents" ... DexDor (talk) 17:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I wouldn't oppose delete, I wouldn't oppose a rename in general, but I am opposing keeping the category as is (with such an unclear name) or a rename to something that is as confusing as the current name, like the nominated name. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Foreign involvement in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict. There's consensus that this category shouldn't exist, but no consensus on whether or not it should be upmerged or deleted. Upmerging is the smaller deviation from the status quo, since it doesn't remove the articles/subcategories from this tree. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 01:15, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is pretty vague and dubious CAT. + overcat? Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It seems clear that this category is going the way of the dodo (deletion), but we need to decide what to do with the pages currently in this category. Should they be upmerged or removed from the Category:Israeli-Palestinian conflict tree entirely?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 13:41, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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States and territories by year (early history)

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all by decade, with templates recoded. Miniapolis 22:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
More categories (up to end of 2nd century)
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Most of these categories have very few members, often only one. There's no reason to maintain the split-out categories with only a few pages when the parent category could contain them and provide more useful categorization. ~ RobTalk 13:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:02, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The category is in many cases automatically created by the infobox template, and while it is no doubt possible to re-code the template to use decade instead of year for a certain range of dates, IMHO these categories do no harm, and form a worthwhile part of the category hierarchy for years. – Fayenatic London 07:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Its as simple as a few if exist parser functions, which I'll implement once I'm done with this annoying Tarmac delay and my plane lands. It's best practice not to have templates categorizing into non-existent categories anyway. ~ RobTalk 10:34, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • OK, but I see no harm in templates categorising pages into categories that ought to exist as part of a major structure (per the exception in WP:SMALLCAT) as soon as there is anything to go in them. In fact, it is often useful to do so, because this automatically keeps the categories up to date when somebody corrects erroneous dates in the infobox. I recently found many biography pages where old categories were still on the page for dates of birth/death that had since been corrected only at the top of the article. At least these automated categories prevent that sort of inconsistency for states. – Fayenatic London 10:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative (not withdrawing support for the nomination, but this alternative might be considered as an improvement over the nomination). Decade categories as the lowest level are quite rare, we usually have either year categories or century categories as the lowest level. So as for this nomination, we might merge the establishments categories to century level, then split the centuries by continent. That will create more robust final rungs, assuming that in most instances there will be a split in only 3 continents, instead of 10 decades. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:31, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I would oppose the centuries by continent because I don't believe the category tree currently has anything like that. It would be very odd to break it out that way up to a certain point in history and then change the categorization completely. "Centuries...centuries...centuries...centuries and also by decade/year" is way less of a change than "centuries by continent, centuries by continent, centuries by decade/year". ~ RobTalk 14:53, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support upmerger past decades to centuries per Marcocapelle. We can divide it into continent if there's sufficient need but I don't see right now. Centuries would seemingly better match the goal with the early international relations categories which are similar and the corresponding Category:States and territories disestablished in the 1st century. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 21:18, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Globalization issues

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 01:19, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:C2D, alignment with article Global issue.
This time I skipped WP:CFDS, after this oppose against a previous C2D nomination in the same field. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Splitting activists and politicians

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The result of the discussion was: split. Everyone agrees we should categorize activists and politicians together. Per the concerns of PanchoS, Category:Hong Kong pan-democrats should almost certainly be a container category. If a person can't be sorted into the activists subcat or any political party subcats, they probably don't belong there at all. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 06:39, 21 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not all pan-democrats are democracy activists, and vice versa. Propose recategorize like this: Liberalism in Hong Kong ->

Hong Kong pan-democrats -> Hong Kong democracy activists. UU (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Marcocapelle: Clearly I'm opposing the alternative proposal, but I'm not convinced of the original proposal either. It would be unprecedented to categorize non-politicians and non-activists per their alleged affiliation with a political coalition. And I don't think it would be a good precedent. Activists belong in the existing Category:Hong Kong democracy activists, while politicians belong in Category:Hong Kong politicians by party. If these are correctly categorized, who would then be listed in the proposed "pan-democrats" category, and what makes someone who neither is an activist nor a politician be a "pan-Democrat"? --PanchoS (talk) 16:03, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am presuming that the politicians category will become a container category, holding politicians of political parties. And if someone is neither a politician nor an activist, he would just not belong here at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historical works by country

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 01:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Created during a 'productive' day for Stefanomione in early May, when a number of his other categories were faring badly at Cfd. I had already started depopulating this -- removing Category:Images by country (in that images need not be "historical") and Category:Libraries by country (in that libraries are not here considered "works" as in Category:Intellectual works) when I remembered that as a result of consensus regarding the parent for all this, Category:Historical works, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_1#Category:Historical_works, we can simply dispense with his aborted by-country scheme as a matter of course, and restore any previous categories that he had removed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:59, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ortalis

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The result of the discussion was: rename as per nom. (non-admin closure) ~ RobTalk 21:38, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is for the fly genus, but there is no article about the genus specifically, just a bunch of articles about the species within the genus. Ortalis redirects to Chachalaca, and Ortalis is also the genus name of that bird. So the category for the fly genus needs a disambiguator of some sort. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:02, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It's clear that there's consensus to rename, but we need to decide between (fly) and (insect) for the disambiguator. Both have some precedent in the category tree, as it's in the tree of both Category:Insects and Category:Flies.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ RobTalk 02:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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