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Category:Pages with misplaced templates

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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 19#Category:Pages with misplaced templates

Category:Fiction narrated by a dead person

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category that does not define the films themself. This type of categorization is poor as it weakly connects the films in the category by the use of a deceased character narration in the film. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 21:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Comic book characters in other media

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:27, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It's unclear what excludes something from one category or the other, making this redundant. Appears that the user has since received a topic ban from category creation. -- 2pou (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Scientists and descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. Following this discussion about the Italian descent category and together with discussions below #Category:American scientists of Pakistani descent and #Category:Canadian scientists by descent, scientists are defined by their nationality (and of course their field of study), but categories of scientists by country of their ancestors without a reference to their actual nationality serve little apparent purpose. Place Clichy (talk) 18:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Canadian scientists by descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete, but I am merging the contents to the appropriate "Canadian people of FOOian descent" as a default. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. Following this discussion about the Italian descent category, like the other discussion below, there seems to be consensus that the mere country of descent is not a defining factor for scientists that would justify these category intersections. Also note that in most cases these categories seem to be used for expatriates rather than descent. Place Clichy (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Asian-American film directors

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also containerize, per Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:54, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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American-Indian businesspeople

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:20, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Asian-American businesspeople

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The result of the discussion was: rename and containerize. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:18, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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American aviators of Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: no conseusus to delete/merge, so rename as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Asian-American female aviators

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American female aviators and Category:American aviators of Asian descent, the latter of which was created as result of this discussion, which was discussed concurrently. The two discussions were read together. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Indigenous American female aviators

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete/merge, so rename as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Chinese-American aviators

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus to delete/merge, so rename as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Odia Diaspora

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but ensure that all articles end off with an Indian descent category. India is a big place, but (except where there are very clear sub-ethnicities, we do not normally have descent categories below country. Carlossuarez46 always opposes the existence of descetn categories, so that his vote should be discounted. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:41, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Political organizations of minorities

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:12, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant with its only child, Category:Political parties of minorities, which is already correctly categorized. This near-empty intermediate level does not bring much value. Place Clichy (talk) 14:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Japanese-American theologians

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The result of the discussion was: purge and merge to Category:American theologians and Category:American people of Japanese descent/Category:American people of Korean descent, as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:11, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Asian-American theologians

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete, mainly because it was the parent category for categories (discussed concurrently with this one) that were deleted. See here and here. It was difficult to read a consensus here, but I took these other discussions into account. This close does not preclude someone from creating some sort of category for theologians of Asian theology. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This and its subcategories include individuals who would be considered scholars of Asian theology, as well as scholars of Asian American theology (which are, if it is not obvious, not the same, albeit overlapping). Kwok Pui-lan and Peter Phan have written in both discourses, Chung Hyun Kyung has written primarily in terms of Asian theology, and Grace Ji-Sun Kim has written in Asian American theology. Then you have others who have not touched these topics and are simply American theologians of Asian descent (e.g. Seyoon Kim). So it is quite an entangled category if you are wanting to get rid of descent categories.--Caorongjin (talk) 09:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Precisely, the topic of interesting value for an encyclopedia here is Asian theology (or Asian-American theology). The ascendancy of theologians is quite irrelevant, and some Western or African Sinologists probably gave more important contributions to this topic than, say, Danny Yamashiro, the Hawaiian accident survivor turned televangelist. I am note sure that a category placed at the intersection of Asia and theology should be based on descent. Place Clichy (talk) 16:28, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Chinese-American theologians

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The result of the discussion was: purge and merge to Category:American theologians and Category:American people of Chinese descent, as discussed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Murdered sportspeople

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:03, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. Not expected as a professional qualification. There may have been many years between the occupation and the death, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children.
See also: related rationale about suicides by occupation:
William Allen Simpson (talk) 12:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 17:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Bangkok

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: While Category:Art Nouveau architecture by city is fairly established, none of the architecture-by-style-in-Thailand categories are subdivided as such, and the suggested parent isn't so large as to need subcategorisation. All the members are already otherwise categorised under Category:Buildings and structures in Bangkok. Paul_012 (talk) 11:52, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American scientists of Pakistani descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have also taken into account the comments in the other related discussions on this page, here and here. I have not discounted Carlossuarez46's !vote, as was suggested. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. Following this discussion about the Italian descent category, there seems to be consensus that the mere country of descent is not a defining factor for scientists that would justify these category intersections. Also note that in most cases these categories seem to be used for expatriates rather than descent. @AleatoryPonderings, William Allen Simpson, Marcocapelle, Justus Nussbaum, and Good Olfactory: pinging contributors in the previous discussion. Place Clichy (talk) 09:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Operations Near Cache River, Arkansas

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge as WP:SMALLCAT, as there is only one article in each of these. These are sub-cats within "Campaigns" categories, but a single page about a battle does not deserve a Campaign category. – Fayenatic London 08:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional LGBT characters by occupation

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The result of the discussion was: delete; Category:LGBT villains and Category:LGBT superheroes moved to Category:Fictional LGBT characters. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. It could be argued that the two categories inside of this category, superheroes and villains, are not occupations, merely lifestyles of the character. – DarkGlow (✉) 02:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Education missionaries

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated, primarily because Category:Missionary educators was not nominated. I will redirect Category:Education missionaries to Category:Missionary educators. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Seems to duplicate Category:Missionary educators unless I'm missing something? Le Deluge (talk) 01:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge or reverse merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom These are missionaries who engage in education. They are missionaries because of their specific connection to a specific religion. The target is the order that represents who and what these people actually are.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reverse Merge more logical. Not all education missionaries who support education are educators but all missionary educators are working as education missionaries. An education missionary category would include someone who builds schools but does not teach or lead teachers. They are not an educator. Education missionaries is more accurate and inclusive of the two.Breamk (talk) 14:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge somehow -- Reverse merge for preference as they were probably primarily missionaries, though they fulfilled that role through teaching. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Royal Order of the Engabu

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD & WP:SMALLCAT)
The Royal Order of the Engabu was established in 2010 by the Bunyoro kingdom within Uganda. The only article in the category, Muedzul Lail Tan Kiram, is a local royal from the Philippines with no clear connection to Uganda or Africa in general so I'm not sure why he received it. I don't know if I can say the category is "listified" since there is only 1 article but it is now linked here in the main article. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Honorary graduates of Keele University

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD and WP:SMALLCAT)
The only article in this category is Neil Baldwin (Keele University), a person with learning disabilities who was "adopted by the student body over the last 50 years as something of a mascot for Keele". Mr. Baldwin is definitely defined by his association with the school and received other awards like an honorary membership into the student body and a testimonial match, but these honours don't seem individually defining. There is no 2nd person with learning disabilities who became a Keele school mascot so this category has no growth potential, unless we add people who received honorary degrees for donating money which we've consistently found non-defining. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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