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Category:SB19 members

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per consensus/definition of member categories that fall under Category:Musicians by band: categories should not be created when only one member has an article. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mike McGear songs

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: keep Category:Songs written by Mike McGear as it now contains an article; delete Category:Mike McGear songs for now per precedents for categories containing only redirects, and not demonstrably useful per any of the rationales for WP:Categorizing redirects. – Fayenatic London 10:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Categories full of redirects for a couple dozen songs each that point to one of two albums with little to no info on the songs in those pages except as part of the track listing. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 17:41, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment only. I have added an article, Lily the Pink (song) which changes the nomination. --Richhoncho (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So keep the "songs written by" category but purge the redirects as their categorization in this manner is still unhelpful. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:23, 2 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If there is no guidance, you won't object to me removing the useless categorizations? Thanks. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 16:54, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My point is there is no guidance to remove categories. Knowing you feel strongly I think you should look for guidance before acting unilaterally.
For me, and we have discussed this, the actual redirects are the problem, we don't need redirects for every song by every performer and there will always be people to categorise redirects. Furthermore, in the case of writers (as opposed to performers), this helps to identifies the song/redirect.
We both have support of others for the deletion of cats containing only redirects. Perhaps you should nominate the McGear redirects for deletion? --Richhoncho (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not against the redirects per se, just the categorization of such redirects that don't offer anything within the target beyond being part of a track listing. That's just pointless when you navigate to a category and find zero info about the content when you click on the links. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 20:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I agree with Richhoncho. Having known nothing about the artist in question, I browsed the category which assisted in my understanding of the topic. There is currently no consensus on removing redirects from categories, and doing so without consensus is likely to open a can of worms. Such redirects often populate {{R with possibilities}}, which indicate potential future articles. I would also like to note at least one other song would be notable enough for an article. As such, my vote for now is to keep both categories. Sean Stephens (talk) 03:51, 9 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 22:32, 11 March 2021 (UTC) [reply]
Thanks, Fayenatic london. According to Wikipedia:INCOMPATIBLE it is possible to categorise song redirects but I am not sure that is the question here. Both the nominated cats are in groups where it is acceptable to have only one article. When there is no article, only redirect(s) there appears to be at present a consensus that such cats should be deleted. I have nominated such cats in the past and will continue to do so unless consensus changes. That is why I commented and voted as above, keep songs written by (one actual article) and delete Mike McGear songs (only redirects which are only pointing to the 2 albums McGear made) - the actual songs are easy enough to find.
If there needs to be a wider discussion regarding cats with only redirects, I am OK with that, but it needs a wider audience. --Richhoncho (talk) 14:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Inkubus Sukkubus albums

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:49, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: All content has been redirected to the artist's article, Inkubus Sukkubus, which doesn't even provide any info on any of the albums except being part of the group's discography. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 22:12, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Singaporean people of Henghua descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Note: this category has also been nominated for deletion within a group discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_March_21#Category:Singaporean_people_of_Chinese_descent. – Fayenatic London 08:55, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, we do not categorize people by the region or city where their ancestors have been living, like in this case the city Putian, per WP:COPHERITAGE. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Löschen Chinese ancestry is so common in Singapore any category related to it is akin to categories we just do not do such as Category:English people of English descnet. This category's definition we just do not do. Some things need to conform to standard categorizing procedures and categories like this just do not. We never do categoreis that specify they are limited to paternal side ancestry, ever.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:00, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Chinese descent is actually only 74% of the population, and is rapidly decreasing as ethnic Chinese have an incredibly low birth rate; 0.98 per woman for Chinese compared to 1.85 for Malays.[4] Additionally other nationalities and ethnicities are immigrating into the country at a very high rate as well.[5] Further, in historical contexts, Chinese political leaders were a novelty in early Singapore because the colonial administration was made up of White Europeans, mainly from Europe. Thus a large percentage of biographical entries from that time period in the history of Singapore will be non Chinese people. It is probable that in the near future the ethnic Chinese may no longer form a majority. --Prisencolin (talk) 23:52, 19 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mayors of Paducah, Kentucky

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The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:47, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Category with just one entry. Also merge to Category:Mayors of places in Kentucky ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:17, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Multilingual songs

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Macaronic songs. There is sufficient rough consensus here to merge to Category:Macaronic songs. TheSandDoctor Talk 18:13, 8 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: I did not realize the category, "multilingual songs" already existed, so I created a duplicate. The main article is located at macaronic song as that's what it's most commonly called in secondary sources. (Google scholar hits:[6][7]) Multilingual song is ambiguous between one that combines multiple languages (i.e. a macaronic song, such as Siúil a Rún) and one that has been translated into multiple languages, or has different language versions. (t · c) buidhe 08:27, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Superstars

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category contains just the key article and a subcat of templates. Hardly seems a worthwhile part of the category tree. Grutness...wha? 04:15, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Rose

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:44, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT, WP:PERFCAT, WP:OCAWARD) and WP:V
The Order of the Rose was a Brazilian award that continues to be issued by the former Braganza royal family and the recipients fall into three categories:
Finally, the former royal family had a schism and both give rival versions of this award so there's is not a single agreed upon list of recipients. All the category contents are now listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dames of the Order of Theresa

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT)
When female foreign royalty visited the Kingdom of Bavaria or vice versa, the Order of Theresa was given out as souvenir. Isabella II of Spain, Empress Shōken, and Princess Louise of Prussia are not remotely defined by this award. (Local members of the ruling Wittelsbach royal family also received the award but they're already somewhere under Category:House of Wittelsbach.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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