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The result of the discussion was soft delete. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the template's undeletion. plicit 01:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unused map. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 November 30. plicit 01:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2022 December 3. plicit 04:16, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 01:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus was reached to merge {{WTA Tier I tournaments}} to {{WTA_1000_tournaments}}. Requesting to delete {{WTA Tier I tournaments}}. Qwerty284651 (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 01:09, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Single-article content with no template parameters. Subst and delete. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 01:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unused and redundant Spanish-language version of an existing tournament bracket template. Likely created from an existing es.WP template without attribution. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. plicit 01:12, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate of Template:Notability and Template:Unreferenced, looks to have been made to be specifically WP:POINTY about sports articles. The process for articles without significant coverage is AFD, there is no need for a sports-specific template for this. Do not ping me with replies to this, as I am watching this page. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. WP:SPORTSCRIT #5 creates a requirement for sports articles to include at least one source containing WP:SIGCOV. This template is intended to help track articles that don't meet that, as an alternative to redirecting them or immediately nominating them for deletion.
It supplements Template:Notability in a similar manner to Template:Unreferenced, and it doesn't duplicate Template:Unreferenced as an article can have sources without having sources that contain significant coverage.
If this template is deleted the more general Template:No significant coverage should also be deleted. BilledMammal (talk) 13:33, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't need a separate template specifically for sports articles though, when general existing templates suffice perfectly adequately. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:59, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Different requirements apply to sports biographies than apply to general articles. I also believe sorting sports biographies into a separate category will make it easier for interested sports editors to identify articles they may be able to find sources for. BilledMammal (talk) 15:10, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agree with BilledMammal that this is a useful template.
Nemov (talk) 14:08, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 12:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

unused Muhandes (talk) 12:27, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 12:54, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Per consensus established at Wikiproject Badminton, this template is now redundant. Requesting deletion. zoglophie 07:23, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Second batch of New Jersey county commissioner templates

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Violates WP:TG by storing article text. All templates should be substed and deleted. This is a follow up of November 3 TFD, same rationale applies here. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 07:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep (Same as above) I agree with comments made by Alansohn in the previous discussion (November 3 TFD of New Jersey commisioner templates). These templates make it significantly easier to update information across "literally" hundreds of pages. But if you are volunteering to individually change every single NJ municipal page when new officials are elected, be my guest and delete these. JerseyThroughandThrough (talk) 06:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:TG says Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. which is why the previous templates were correctly deleted, and exactly why these should all be deleted too. Article text should be in articles not templates. If you need repetition of text in multiple articles, use section transcluson. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep One only has to look at the aftermath of the last wave of deletions to see the truly disruptive nature of these TfDs. There are 40 articles that used the now-defunct Template:NJ Burlington County Freeholders, all of which have been substituted with the content of the template, as at this edit by our nominator, along with 39 others. When the information that was in that template changes, as it will in January, it's impossible to update the data by making ONE edit to ONE template. Now FORTY articles need to be updated one-by-one and the content needs to be kept in sync across all FORTY articles, not ONE template. Wikipedia is worse off for this senseless wave of deletions, as the deletion of the template makes it more difficult to edit the content; FORTY times more difficult. Alansohn (talk) 16:55, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Exteremely useful for maintaining up-to-date information in multiply article that changes regularly, thus of great benefit to encylopedia. Djflem (talk) 07:11, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I agree with Djflem points as well. They allow for rapidly changing information to be updated without having to sift through hundreds of pages at a time. GigachadGigachad (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per the previous TFDs, and use WP:SELECTIVETRANSCLUSION if the same text is needed in multiple articles. The purpose of templates is navigation, not storing article text. Note to closer: All of these above keep votes are in violation of WP:TG, as they are based on "it's too much work to use a proper method of doing it". And any post saying the change needs to be made 40 times anytime you update is factually incorrect, as WP:SELECTIVETRANSCLUSION allows it to be changed once and applied everywhere. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:57, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So then what is this doing at TFD? If indeed the method of storage is the problem then that should have been taken to the talk pages of the templates to be discussed or been actually been added to the articles using a different one. Deletion will only lead to the loss of the information/content, which is not the the point of the contention, and lead to the loss of years of work and damage the encyclopedia. Djflem (talk) 04:59, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    TFD is correct procedure for deletion of templates. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:23, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem here is that there are some people here trying to build a functioning encyclopedia and have been using these templates for the past 17 years, fully in keeping with the purpose of Wikipedia:Template namespace, which states that its purpose is "to store templates, which contain Wiki markup intended for inclusion on multiple pages, usually via transclusion." and Help:Template, which states that the purpose of templates is to "contain repetitive material that might need to show up on a larger number of articles or pages." Those pushing for deletion consistently misrepresent these guidelines and push for the elimination of templates that make editing far easier and the result of the previous cycle of deletions only proves this. All that's necessary is to look at this edit and dozens upon dozens of articles just like it, in which the nominator substituted the template {{NJ Burlington County Freeholders}} and replaced it with thousands of characters of text, making the process of editing the content orders of magnitude more difficult. The consensus is that these templates should be retained, the arguments for deletion are specious and not based on policy, and the net result of previous TfDs only shows the disruptive impact of these needless deletions. Alansohn (talk) 22:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    How does address the loss of valuable content? Djflem (talk) 06:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per previous. --Izno (talk) 21:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same reason for relisting the legislature templates.
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  • Keep I've seen many articles that have out of date content like this, and this ensures information is accurate. Reywas92Talk 15:43, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is article text that does not belong in a template. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So the issue is with the form, not the content, the loss of which would detrimental to the project. That appears to be at cross-purposes with building improving and maintaining an up-do-date enyclopedia. The issue should have been brought up at concerned talk pages, not TfD. Djflem (talk) 06:10, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There will be no loss of content if these are deleted, since they will be substed or converted to selective transclusion. TFD is the right venue for this. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Will certainly be lost if deleted. Or are you planning to do the conversion before they are? Djflem (talk) 21:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All one has to do to see the utter purposeless disruption of these deletions is to look at this edit, where ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ carefully subst'ed the content of {{NJ Atlantic County Freeholders}} and replaced it with 5,664 characters of content from the template into two dozen articles. It turns out that a bot found in edit that three of the sources that had been in the template were no longer accessible. Those sources would now need to be updated in each of the 23 articles and not just once in the template. The utter pointlessness of these deletions are obvious, but the usual crowd is pro-deletion, regardless of the negative impact. These deletions are disruptive and destructive, plain and simple, with no effort to implement any of the alleged alternative solutions. Alansohn (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The bot found those links as inaccessible only because it exists in mainspace, it doesn't check it in templates. A poor reason to keep article text like this in templates no? They had existed in the template for a long time and not fixed by anyone, because as WP:TG rightly says, it was more difficult to edit in templates. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Deleting it serves no purpose but it makes matters worse by requiring us to edit every single article that has that template associated with it. It'll also become a hassle on making this encyclopedia up to date. If this is kept, all of this could have been done in one go and without a problem. 20chances (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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New Jersey legislative templates

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not real templates, stores article text which is a violation of WP:TG. All templates should be substed and deleted. Same rationale as in November 3 TFD of New Jersey commisioner templates applies. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 09:32, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: It would be nice for hosts to selectively transclude these templates' sentences from to be specified.
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  • Delete This is article text that does not belong in a template. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:19, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    So the issue is with the form, not the content, the loss of which would detrimental to the project. That appears to be at cross-purposes with building improving and maintaining an up-do-date enyclopedia. The issue should have been brought up at concerned talk pages, not TfD. Djflem (talk) 06:12, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    There will be no loss of content if these are deleted, since they will be substed or converted to selective transclusion. TFD is the right venue for this. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:43, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Certainly will be if deleted. Are you planning to do the conversion before they are? That certainly would have been a solution before proposing TfD. Djflem (talk) 21:06, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You seem to be incapable of understanding how TFDs work. Nothing will be lost because the templates will not be deleted until they are replaced by subst or selective transclusion. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 08:53, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All one has to do to see the utter purposeless disruption of these deletions is to look at this edit, where you systematically subst'ed the content of {{NJ Atlantic County Freeholders}} and replaced it with 5,664 characters of content from the template into two dozen articles. It turns out that a bot found in edit that three of the sources that had been in the template were no longer accessible. Those sources would now need to be updated in each of the 23 articles and not just once in the template. The utter pointlessness of these deletions are obvious, but the usual crowd is pro-deletion, regardless of the negative impact. These deletions are disruptive and destructive, plain and simple, with no effort to implement any of the alleged alternative solutions. Alansohn (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The bot found those links as inaccessible only because it exists in mainspace, it doesn't check it in templates. A poor reason to keep article text like this in templates no? They had existed in the template for a long time and not fixed by anyone, because as WP:TG rightly says, it was more difficult to edit in templates. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Saying that "There will be no loss of content if these are deleted" isn't going to make things better. It is completely unnecessary to delete these templates (as well as other templates you requested to delete) and it will make editors try to edit every single page that originally have that template instead of having a single page. It serves no positive output and all it does is to make maters worse. I also have to agree with Alansohn. He has a very good point. If these templates were gone, it would take maybe a lot of hours just to update it should a representative or a county commissioner, or whoever is represented in government come and goes. 20chances (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Deleting it serves no purpose but it makes matters worse by requiring us to edit every single article that has that template associated with it. It'll also become a hassle on making this encyclopedia up to date. If this is kept, all of this could have been done in one go and without a problem. 20chances (talk) 19:32, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. One more reason why keeping this in templates is a bad idea – someone had added it to New Jersey legislative districts, 2011 apportionment in 2011 but the templates now have 2022 data, which makes most of the article senseless. Due to continuous updation of article text in the template, not all transclusions of these templates are actually accurate in the current artcile context. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 03:59, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Please. Be serious. I can show you more than 500 articles where these transclusions make complete and total sense, and your best argument for deletion is that you found one -- and only one -- article where their use doesn't make sense, entirely in retrospect. So now you demand that content must be duplicated across hundreds upon hundreds of articles, making it far harder to maintain articles and keep them consistent, all because there is one article where the templates should not have been used. Please recognize that editors here are trying to build an encyclopedia that is easier for readers to understand and for editors to keep updated. One set of templates misplaced in an article a decade ago does not justify their deletion. Please. Alansohn (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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New Jersey senate and congress templates

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:28, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not real templates, stores article text which is a violation of WP:TG. All templates should be substed and deleted. Same rationale as in November 3 TFD of New Jersey commisioner templates applies. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 09:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep I agree with comments made by Alansohn in the previous discussion (November 3 TFD of New Jersey commisioner templates). These templates make it significantly easier to update information across "literally" hundreds of pages. But if you are volunteering to individually change every single NJ municipal page when new officials are elected, be my guest and delete these. JerseyThroughandThrough (talk) 06:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:TG says Templates should not normally be used to store article text, as this makes it more difficult to edit the content. which is why the previous templates were correctly deleted, and exactly why these should all be deleted too. Article text should be in articles not templates. If you need repetition of text in multiple articles, use section transcluson. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 13:38, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Explain 'section transclusion' and link to it please, since that is your suggestion solution.Djflem (talk) 06:58, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    All one has to do to see the utter purposeless disruption of these deletions is to look at this edit, where ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ carefully subst'ed the content of {{NJ Atlantic County Freeholders}} and replaced it with 5,664 characters of content from the template into two dozen articles. It turns out that a bot found in edit that three of the sources that had been in the template were no longer accessible. Those sources would now need to be updated in each of the 23 articles and not just once in the template. The utter pointlessness of these deletions are obvious, but the usual crowd is pro-deletion, regardless of the negative impact. These deletions are disruptive and destructive, plain and simple, with no effort to implement any of the alleged alternative solutions. Alansohn (talk) 20:16, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The bot found those links as inaccessible only because it exists in mainspace, it doesn't check it in templates. A poor reason to keep article text like this in templates no? They had existed in the template for a long time and not fixed by anyone, because as WP:TG rightly says, it was more difficult to edit in templates. ಮಲ್ನಾಡಾಚ್ ಕೊಂಕ್ಣೊ (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep One only has to look at the aftermath of the last wave of deletions to see the truly disruptive nature of these TfDs. There are 40 articles that used the now-defunct Template:NJ Burlington County Freeholders, all of which have been substituted with the content of the template, as at this edit by our nominator, along with 39 others. When the information that was in that template changes, as it will in January, it's impossible to update the data by making ONE edit to ONE template. Now FORTY articles need to be updated one-by-one and the content needs to be kept in sync across all FORTY articles, not ONE template. Wikipedia is worse off for this senseless wave of deletions, as the deletion of the template makes it more difficult to edit the content; FORTY times more difficult. Alansohn (talk) 16:54, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep These templates make it significantly easier to add information to the hundreds of pages where they included, thus keeping them up-to-date after election cycles. They are of great benefit to the encyclopedia, despite claim.Djflem (talk) 07:02, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as per the previous TFDs, and use WP:SELECTIVETRANSCLUSION if the same text is needed in multiple articles. The purpose of templates is navigation, not storing article text. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:36, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can somebody help the keep voters learn alternative ways of doing these templates' jobs?
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Keep - I'm going to be very blunt on this. Deleting this will cause more work to be done on every single page and it will become a hassle. If we were to delete this template, all of us would have to edit EVERY SINGLE article that has this content, compared with just one template where it makes it easy. I have to mention Alansohn, which that user made a very good point. Keeping this template and updating it will make our lives easier. Compared to just doing the same processes with all of the articles that originally have that template. 20chances (talk) 19:22, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 03:48, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Single mainspace use template. Izno (talk) 03:22, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. plicit 03:48, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Single use template. Izno (talk) 03:03, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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